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Subject: Re: US burial and armed strength:Re to Stalnaker
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Date: Mon, 18-Nov-85 11:30:48 EST
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"If you repeat something long enough, people will come to
believe it."  Joseph Goebbels
Mike Stalnaker has a number of falsehoods in his defense of
"spend and spend, borrow and borrow, arm and arm" Reagan:
> 
> 	I love the way everybody blames Regan for the current defense 
> spending.  If that Bleeding-heart-liberal bozo named Carter hadn't
> played hack and slash for 4 years ,and if congress hadn't sat around
> with it's head up it's ass for the past 13 years (since 1972) We would
> not have to make these massive defense outlays all at once!  
 
In 1970 the U.S. had 4,000 strategic nuclear warheads
In 1980             10,000 strategic nuclear warheads
 
The U.S. spent more in 1980 than in 1970 in constant dollars for defense:
despite the fact we were fighting a substantial war in Vietnam in 1970.

> 
> 	Tim, when you say congress approved 95% of Reagan's requests,
> was that by number of requests, or $??? 
 
  that is by $$$, i.e. Congress approved 95% of the dollar requests
  for the budget presented by Reagan

> Here we are, sitting back with
> what probably amounts to the number 3 Armed Services in the world, faced
> with bozos that have openly declared "WE WILL BURY YOU!" and people are
> to blind to see that we have to maintain a strong defense.
>      --Stormcrow		o
 
Some elementary facts:
                                 U.S.     U.S.S.R.
strategic nuclear warheads     10,000+      7400
all nuclear warheads           29,100     17,140
  
The U.S. has 600,000 times the explosive power of Hiroshima.  I think
a strong defense is quite different than mutual suicide.
 
Kruschev *never* said "we will bury you."  What he said was
"we will survive you."  This has an entirely different meaning.
 
If the Soviet Union is so set upon "world conquest" why is it that
they haven't invaded the small Communist countries of 
Rumania, Yugoslavia, and Albania for the past 40 years?
Rumania had 30,000 people in a demonstration against missile deployments
by both East and West.  Why hasn't the Soviet Union nuked Rumania yet?
Since Rumania, Yugoslavia, and Albania are not members of NATO the
USSR would have no opposition to attack from NATO forces in these
countries.
Why did the Soviets agree to allow Austria to return to sovereignty
decades ago?
              "Peace in the World,
                        or the World in Pieces!"
                tim sevener  whuxn!orb