Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: $Revision: 1.6.2.16 $; site inmet.UUCP Path: utzoo!lsuc!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!ihnp4!qantel!lll-crg!seismo!harvard!talcott!panda!genrad!decvax!yale!inmet!janw From: janw@inmet.UUCP Newsgroups: net.politics Subject: Re: Factophobia Message-ID: <7800753@inmet.UUCP> Date: Tue, 26-Nov-85 17:20:00 EST Article-I.D.: inmet.7800753 Posted: Tue Nov 26 17:20:00 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 30-Nov-85 01:15:49 EST References: <7800718@inmet.UUCP> Lines: 60 Nf-ID: #R:inmet:7800718:inmet:7800753:000:2704 Nf-From: inmet!janw Nov 26 17:20:00 1985 [ Jim Balter (ima!jim)] >[criticism of my polemical methods] (1) suggestion vs implication. I gave no names or features iden- tifying a particular article, so was not obliged to recheck anyone's wording. I attacked a world-view, not a person. In fact, my satirical picture fits *you* better than Mike, who is sometimes objective. Had you noticed that, you might have com- plained that my "weak brethren" misquotes your "small minds". The same answer would apply. (2) You are right that tone and wording flavor the impression. Total sterility is impractical and undesirable. Madison Avenue is another extreme. Or, should I say, near extreme, since some of your own articles go beyond. I am too lazy to search, but they go somewhat like this: BLATHERING IDEOLOGUES WOULD HAVE US ACCEPT THE RIDICULOUS NOTION THAT ... . No exaggeration here, except for the lettering. It is as if I said "our wonderful free-market economy has again out-performed itself". At least that would be positive. In the episode of jobs for women, which you mostly discuss, the packaging was very slight, compared to the fact. Completely neutral wording would convey exactly the same impression. --Try this : The following data is from Detroit News : Since Reagan took office, 84% of the 7 million new jobs and 65% of salary growth went to women. --Want to post it like this ? (3) It is the *selection* of data that you really object to. Remember the Marshal Ogarkov episode ? There, I posted a *com- pletely* bare fact. You greeted it even more violently than this one. ---Factophobia, all right. Madison Avenue is tricky. But a regime of psychological terror, existing in much of US educated community, is far worse. There are many people out there who, for example, *vote for Reagan* who never dare to open their mouth to say anything in his favor. People live in an world insulated from non-kosher facts. During the Cambodian Holocaust, for example, they had no idea of it. ( It was in NY Times, all right, in rare small notes on back pages, with "unconfirmed" the most prominent word. On editorial pages, they could find Anthony Lewis lauding Pol Pot's promising so- cial experiment.) Right now, they talk of El Salvador, not knowing that right-wing terror is long over, it is all left-wing now. Some of this regime exists on the net, too; and you are one of its active enforcers. I ignore your taboos, hence the outcry. Last point: *I consider breaking these taboos more important even than the content of what I say*. In the name of intellectual honesty (which you often take in vain), it is unfair to say A when you wouldn't dare to say non-A. Jan Wasilewsky