Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/5/84; site psuvax1.UUCP Path: utzoo!lsuc!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!unc!mcnc!decvax!ittatc!dcdwest!sdcsvax!sdcrdcf!burdvax!psuvax1!berman From: berman@psuvax1.UUCP (Piotr Berman) Newsgroups: net.politics,net.religion.jewish Subject: Re: Zionism is not racism; Anti-Israel = antisemitic Message-ID: <1911@psuvax1.UUCP> Date: Sun, 1-Dec-85 23:49:25 EST Article-I.D.: psuvax1.1911 Posted: Sun Dec 1 23:49:25 1985 Date-Received: Wed, 4-Dec-85 18:57:27 EST References: <482@mhuxm.UUCP> <11015@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> <489@mhuxm.UUCP> <11085@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> <170@hector.UUCP> Organization: Pennsylvania State Univ. Lines: 28 Xref: lsuc net.politics:2271 net.religion.jewish:1645 Martillo: > Many Jews of European background practice a warped form of Judaism and > have warped ideas because of their form of Judaism and because of the > experience of European Jews among Europeans. Only Sefardic Judaism > can be considered normative. Martillo clearly despises the majority of Jews ("warped forms"). Thus I would say that he is 60% of an anti-semite. Still, he is 0% Anti-Israel. Characteristically, the defenders of Israel are divided into those who deny any oppression of Palestinians and those who claim (like Martillo) that it is perfectly moral and reasonable to oppress them. While anyone reasonable must agree that Israel must supress any terrorist tendencies on the occupied territories, there is a valid question whether Israel could be more benevolent toward occupied Arabs. In particular, where is the authonomy, which was being promised in Camp David? The fact that say, Syria, is much worse opressor of her own people is not the sufficient reason to laud Israel policies. The obvious fact is that it is very difficult to be nice in the Middle East. But one should understand that anti-Israel feelings are frequently (albeit not in majority) of political, not racial nature. Piotr Berman