Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: $Revision: 1.6.2.16 $; site inmet.UUCP Path: utzoo!lsuc!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!ihnp4!qantel!lll-crg!seismo!harvard!talcott!panda!genrad!decvax!yale!inmet!janw From: janw@inmet.UUCP Newsgroups: net.politics.theory Subject: Re: Communism as historical tragedy Message-ID: <28200340@inmet.UUCP> Date: Tue, 26-Nov-85 15:53:00 EST Article-I.D.: inmet.28200340 Posted: Tue Nov 26 15:53:00 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 30-Nov-85 01:16:05 EST References: <364@ubvax.UUCP> Lines: 38 Nf-ID: #R:ubvax:-36400:inmet:28200340:000:1733 Nf-From: inmet!janw Nov 26 15:53:00 1985 [tedrick@ucbvax] >Anyway communism took hold in Russia only because the empire >had already collapsed and a partial power vacuum existed, and >they were ready and able to pick up the pieces. So far, quite true. Even more : for "partial" read almost complete. Kerensky was considered indispensable by his colleagues, though he was weak and hysterical, for the reason that he had the rare ability to talk a stray band of armed people in the street into enforcing an order. >It seems absurd to me to think that the communists could have >overturned the Tsarist regime without some external factor like a >major war playing a role. *Communists* couldn't, with or without war. As it was, Bolsheviks took *no* part in toppling the Tzar. Not one of them. Lenin learned of it in Switzerland from a newspaper and *didn't believe* at first. No one knows how the Petrograd riots happened that brought the monarchy down. It was the slightest and most random push possible - and the thing came down crashing because it was completely rotten. *No* one came to its support. No class, party, group or military unit. Which shows that, though the war was a proximate cause, the collapse - of one kind or another - was inevitable. As for preserving the unity of the parts - possible but only just possible. Centrifugal forces were great - don't forget that Poland and Finland were parts of the Empire, as well as the Ukraine, the Baltic areas and the Caucasus. All of them were boiling with unrest. Perhaps, if all was very liberal and democratic, some kind of confederation, a Russian Commonwealth of Nations, could have been created. Some trade and customs union would be to everyone's interest. But that's not an empire. Jan Wasilewsky