Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: $Revision: 1.6.2.16 $; site inmet.UUCP Path: utzoo!lsuc!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!ihnp4!qantel!lll-crg!ucdavis!ucbvax!decvax!cca!inmet!janw From: janw@inmet.UUCP Newsgroups: net.politics.theory Subject: Re: Communism as historical tragedy Message-ID: <28200347@inmet.UUCP> Date: Sun, 1-Dec-85 00:23:00 EST Article-I.D.: inmet.28200347 Posted: Sun Dec 1 00:23:00 1985 Date-Received: Fri, 6-Dec-85 20:22:09 EST References: <364@ubvax.UUCP> Lines: 22 Nf-ID: #R:ubvax:-36400:inmet:28200347:000:947 Nf-From: inmet!janw Dec 1 00:23:00 1985 >>[tedrick@ucbvax] >>>It seems absurd to me to think that the communists could have >>>overturned the Tsarist regime without some external factor like a >>>major war playing a role. >> >>*Communists* couldn't, with or without war. As it was, Bolsheviks >>took *no* part in toppling the Tzar. Not one of them. > >I don't understand why Jan ... seems to misunderstand what I >said. I never said the communists *DID* overthrow the Tsar. You are right, you didn't, and I should have stated that before saying what I said. It still needed saying, for two reasons: the historical delusion that the Communists abolished Tsarism is widely spread; and comparisons on the net of the two systems as if natural alternatives help to keep this alive. Of course, this is not your fault. I *half*-misunderstood you: i.e., I wasn't sure what you meant . So I sat between two chairs in my reply, which is always a mistake. Jan Wasilewsky