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From: abeles@mhuxm.UUCP (J. Abeles (Bellcore, Murray Hill, NJ))
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Subject: Re: Zionism is not racism; Anti-Israel = antisemitic
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Date: Wed, 20-Nov-85 11:05:09 EST
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> >> The following identity is FALSE :
> >> Muslim = Arab = Anti-semitic = Anti-israel
> >> (Chedley Aourouri (sp?) )
> >Well, that may be so, but the following identity is TRUE:
> >anti-Israel = anti-Zionist = antisemitic  (J. Abeles)
> The preceding identity is FALSE.
>                 ...  At the time of the debate after WW II about
> whether Israel should be founded, many very Orthodox Jews opposed it
> for religous reasons which, I believe, had to do with founding Israel
> before the coming of the Messiah ...
> 
> One might also point out that it is possible to be against the
> current state of Israel without being against Zionism in principle.
> 		(Ken Arnold)

My response:

1)  There ARE orthopractic Jews today who are anti-Zionist.
    It is my deeply-held belief that they are indeed anti-semitic.

2)  There is a difference between legitimate disagreement with
    the policies of the State of Israel, and anti-Zionism.
    Simply because of the well-known threat to the existence
    of the State of Israel, it is necessary to categorically
    state frequently that one is not anti-Zionist when criticizing
    the policies.

3)  Remember that if you are anti-Zionist, you are advocating
    the destruction of the State of Israel, NOT its modification
    to your preferred form.  That is because it is the destruction
    of Israel which is being debated, and which is constantly
    called for by most Arab States.  When I, for example, say
    I don't like the French (because they aid shamelessly
    in the proliferation of nuclear technology to irresponsible
    third-world governments) nobody assumes that I am calling
    for the destruction of France!  NOT SO where Israel is concerned.

--J. Abeles