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Subject: Re: Zionism is not racism; Anti-Israel = antisemitic
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Date: Mon, 25-Nov-85 11:13:41 EST
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> > Well, that may be so, but the following identity is TRUE:
> > 
> > anti-Israel = anti-Zionist = antisemitic
> > 
> > Reason:  The existence of Israel allows Jews everywhere the
> > security of a homeland... or even a refuge (need I mention
> > the case of Russian Jews who may soon be allowed to leave
> > Soviet Russia ONLY because they will go to Israel?).
> > 
> > To spell it out, anyone who is anti-Israel is in favor
> > of compromising the sovereignity of the State of Israel,
> > the existence of which is of personal importance to
> > the security of Jews everywhere.
> > 
>   J. Aboolowos is WRONG!! The existence of Israel is NOT of personal
> importance to the security of jews everywhere. 
> Throughout history, Jews existed, prospered and integrated in all
> nations and societies all over the world. Often, they provided the
> financial business strata of the societies where they lived.

And then were either killed or thrown out of the country
Nazi germany, Spanish inquisition a few hundred years ago ....
(turks .... )

> Even today, more jews live outside Israel than inside. Most of them
> have no desire to emigrate to Israel. If you do not believe me,
> ask any american jewish. 
> True, the european and particularly the german jewry experienced a
> truly traumatic event during the 30's in Nazi Germany. 

Rather traumatic !!!!!!!!!

> The creation of Israel is the result of the Holocaust.Preriod.
> Without the Holocaust, the zionists would not have enough motivation
> to drive the persecuted european jews to Palestine.

 There was a movement before the Holocaust to establish a Jewish state
but it is true that the Holocaust was the major force in recreating
the Jewish state from a few hundred years before. I think the
Holocaust it one hell of a good reason to recreate a Jewish state
that has been taken away time and time again.(and never will be
taken away again until every JEW is killed)
> 
> Conclusion :
>  Anti-Israel is NOT anti-zionist and certainly NOT antisemitic.
>  
This is sadly true. There are Jews out there who are ashamed of
being Jews and are very ashamed of Israel. The kind of Jews that
they are should be considered here also.E

Mark