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From: lazarus@brahms.BERKELEY.EDU (Andrew J &)
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Subject: Re: Kahane & the State of Israel
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Date: Tue, 3-Dec-85 18:44:39 EST
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In article <939@homxb.UUCP> mr@homxb.UUCP (M.RINDSBERG) writes:
 [ >> is me]
>> 
>> The _New Republic_ article on Kahane ("A Jewish Monster") is recommended
>> for anyone who wants to know what Kahane is really saying.  (This magazine
>> takes a strongly *pro-Israel, pro-Zionist, anti-PLO* stance.)
>> 
>> He is quite explicit -- Arabs should be expelled, period.
>
>What is wrong with expelling the arabs ???? Obviously they are not happy in
>Israel (i.e. terrorist actions, etc) so what is wrong with handing
>them over to their brothers in 22 other muslim countries where they can live
>however they please.
>Actually the problem is that arabs in Israel are very happy.
>Arabs in Israel live better than they would in any
>other country in the middle east. There is wonderful social security, and they
>do not have to serve in the army nor pay taxes.

I don't quite understand the meaning of this?!  The Arabs in Israel proper
are neither eager to leave (they could easily do so) nor very happy.
They are, however, at home, where their families lived before them.
I suspect the claim that they pay no taxes is rubbish, but perhaps
someone else can enlighten us.  
If the Israeli Arabs are 'very happy', that would be yet another
argument *against* expelling them.

>BTW,  Expelling is not a new thing, it has been performed many times before
>with perfect results.

Yeah?  And many times with unpleasant results:  Spain 1492, Portugal 1496.
Let's try Vietnamese boat people (many of Chinese ancestry).
How about the Five Civilized Tribes of Florida, or the Nez Perce,
or any of the other major American Indian tribes.
Come on, you tell me, what are these 'perfect' expulsions.

I didn't say that Kahane's ideas were new (even for Jews, if we
look back at the Maccabees).  I said they were sick.

>> BTW, everybody's favorite ultra-sicko Adolf Hitler won more than
>> 12 Reichstag seats in 1932, so this argument doesn't overwhelm me.
>> andy
>
>Some comparison !!!!
>
>				mark

If you (or more accurately, Ari Gross) wish to argue that Kahane is
respectable because he might win 12 seats in the Knesset, then
you *have to explain* why the same reasoning does not apply
to Hitler.  This comparison was extreme and chosen deliberately
to indicate that your argument is fallacious.


andy