Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site unc.unc.UUCP Path: utzoo!lsuc!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!unc!fsks From: fsks@unc.UUCP (Frank Silbermann) Newsgroups: net.politics,net.religion.jewish,net.nlang.africa,net.politics.theory Subject: Re: Apartheid on the West Bank (defining racism) Message-ID: <673@unc.unc.UUCP> Date: Tue, 3-Dec-85 11:25:21 EST Article-I.D.: unc.673 Posted: Tue Dec 3 11:25:21 1985 Date-Received: Wed, 4-Dec-85 19:04:15 EST References: <4188@topaz.RUTGERS.EDU> <360@ubvax.UUCP> <614@unc.unc.UUCP> <366@ubvax.UUCP> Reply-To: fsks@unc.UUCP (Frank Silbermann) Followup-To: net.religion.jewish Organization: CS Dept, U. of N. Carolina, Chapel Hill Lines: 36 Xref: lsuc net.politics:2276 net.religion.jewish:1650 net.nlang.africa:164 net.politics.theory:598 Summary: >> Since the Jews are not a racially defined group, then what >> does this kind of discrimination have to do with _RACISM_? Tony Wuersch writes: >But I also don't restrict racism to color differences. >To my sense (ignoring the corrupted rhetoric), racism is a pathological >relationship between members of a powerful ethnic (or religious) group >and members of a less powerful group, such that all the powerful ethnic group >needs to know about a member of that minority group is that he or she >is a member of that group, AND the member of the powerful ethnic group >assumes that the member of the less powerful group is an inferior. What you describe is NOT RACISM, but a rather ETHNOCENTRISM, a more general catagory containing racism as merely one special case. Racial discrimination is that form of ethnocentrism that is based upon inheritable PHYSICAL characteristics (either real or imagined). Ethnocentrism can take many NON-racist (but also objectionble) forms, such as religious discrimination, discrimination based on language or national origin, etc. Racism is merely one special case of ethnocentrism. We trace the ancestry of both Jews and Arabs to the patriarch Abraham. Zionists consider Jews and Arabs are to be racially identical. The differences between Jews and Arabs stem not from race, but rather from religious, linguistic, and cultural differences -- especially religious. Even if we were to imagine that Kahane's radical anti-arabism were representative of Zionism (and it is not), Zionism STILL would NOT be a racist movement. Those who claim that "Zionism is racism" demonstrate at best a confusion of the issues, and at worst, a willingness to lie shamelessly. In either case, their words have no credibility, and may be ignored as ignorant rabble rousing. Frank Silbermann