Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.3 4.3bsd-beta 6/6/85; site ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Path: utzoo!decvax!ucbvax!apollo From: Lepreau@UTAH-20.ARPA (Jay Lepreau) Newsgroups: mod.computers.apollo Subject: Re: Apollo vs. Sun: A short comparison Message-ID: <12165503864.10.LEPREAU@UTAH-20.ARPA> Date: Sun, 8-Dec-85 12:08:38 EST Article-I.D.: UTAH-20.12165503864.10.LEPREAU Posted: Sun Dec 8 12:08:38 1985 Date-Received: Sun, 8-Dec-85 18:48:14 EST References: <12165332067.7.JW-PETERSON@UTAH-20.ARPA> Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Organization: The ARPA Internet Lines: 17 Approved: apollo@yale-comix.arpa This'll get as bad as 4.2 vs Sys V or equiv if this goes on much more. But a few corrections: Debuggers: Mike specifically compared the Apollo debuggers to the Suns's mulit-window dbxtool, not vanilla dbx. Have you used that much, JW? Comittment: Sun recently announced they are joining (some) forces with AT&T to achieve full Sys V compat. Also, from your own arguments about using /com/sh instead of /bin/csh it's obvious that currently Apollo's are very good native workstations and mediocre Unix ones, and will probably always be at a disadvantage running Unix as long as it's layered on Aegis. (Although their shared libs and filesys could give them a big jump if they could make fork go faster than a snail.) Why isn't the lpr stuff distributed, anyway? It doesn't do anything special, why can't it just be compiled and run? -------