Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.3 4.3bsd-beta 6/6/85; site ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!ucbvax!tcp-ip From: MILLS@USC-ISID.ARPA Newsgroups: mod.protocols.tcp-ip Subject: (none) Message-ID: <8512121830.AA14973@ucbvax.berkeley.edu> Date: Thu, 12-Dec-85 12:41:53 EST Article-I.D.: ucbvax.8512121830.AA14973 Posted: Thu Dec 12 12:41:53 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 14-Dec-85 03:51:06 EST Sender: usenet@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Organization: The ARPA Internet Lines: 29 Approved: tcp-ip@sri-nic.arpa Folks, The issue is prominent on the agenda for the next GADS meeting on 16-17 January. It should be emphasized that immediate short-term relief can also result from an agressive campaign to use subnets, as described in RFC940 and RFC950. Subnets allow the internal structure of large communities of LANs, such as in use at MIT, CMU, Stanford and here, to be hidden from the Internet system at large. However, not all software implementations support a subnet feature, in particular Berkeley Unix 4.2bsd ex box. It would obviously be to great advantage either to retrofit subnet code in the 4.2bsd systems or to upgrade to 4.3bsd, which has that code. However, in the case of some popular workstations, including Sun and Apollo, this is not possible without the manufacturer's committment and support. Casual inspection of the gateway tables reveals several instances where a gateway to a LAN community lists a single class-B network together with up to several class-C networks, lending weight to the conjecture that the primary reason for the proliferation in class-C networks is to support just those workstations. I conclude that an effective way to manage at least the short-term problem is to actively encourage the upgrade of LAN software to support subnets. It should be possible to do this via the various user groups in response to administrative directives. I also conclude support for subnets be written into any new procurements. Dave -------