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From: john@cisden.UUCP (John Woolley)
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Subject: Re: Oleg Kiselev does not like Charli Phillips
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Date: Tue, 31-Dec-85 10:16:55 EST
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In article <218@birtch.UUCP> oleg@birtch.UUCP (Oleg Kiselev) writes:
>No apologies....
>
>As for Biblical quotes, the difficulty is that I don't own a Bible. I
>used to, but after reading it I have elected to save the space on the
>bookshelf for books more important and dear to me. So, there is a problem
>with availability of sources (maybe my memory is getting weak -- I doubt it!)
>
>As for St. Thomas, I have read him and enjoyed some of his stuff ( such as
>a proposition that Satan does not exist). I also remember a few remarks
>about inferiority of women. In general, Christian philosophers of that period
>tended to think of women as non-human, as God's mistakes, as defective
>men, other wonderful ideas.
>
>As for quotes, I'll start with this:
>		
>		"For the husband is the head of the wife, as
>		Christ is head of the church"
>		                           Ephessians 5:23
>
>More on that in January (he-he-he, thought you a rid of me? ;-) when I'll have
>time to look up all the wonderful things about your religion you'd rather ignore
>(and that's excluding Inquisition and Dominicans)

Even though he says "No apologies", I have to assume Mr. Kiselev has backed
down from his original proposition that St. Paul and St. Thomas claim sexual
pleasure is evil.  Otherwise I'm at a loss to explain why he changed the
subject in this last posting to the status of women.

If I'm wrong, Mr. Kiselev, if you still maintain (without being able to
support your claim with quotations) that Christianity holds pleasure to be
evil, please say so instead of just leaving us to guess.  

And I'd certainly rather not ignore Dominicans.  Some of my best friends...
-- 
				Peace and Good!,
				      Fr. John Woolley
"The heart has its reasons that the mind does not know." -- Blaise Pascal