Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.3 4.3bsd-beta 6/6/85; site utastro.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!gatech!ut-sally!utastro!jeff From: jeff@utastro.UUCP (Jeff Brown the Scumbag) Newsgroups: net.astro Subject: Re: Question about Sirius Message-ID: <174@utastro.UUCP> Date: Sun, 15-Dec-85 03:55:01 EST Article-I.D.: utastro.174 Posted: Sun Dec 15 03:55:01 1985 Date-Received: Fri, 20-Dec-85 02:52:44 EST References: <283@infinet.UUCP> <900@psivax.UUCP> Distribution: net Organization: U. Texas, Astronomy, Austin, TX Lines: 65 > >In the Boston Globe today (December 9) there is an article about > >the dog star Sirius. Sirius today is visible as a blue-white star > >but this article refers to historical accounts that refer to Sirius > >as a red star. The speculation (theory?) presented in the article is > >that the white dwarf companion star of the visible blue-white star > >was a red giant in the recent past. > > > Well, not by ordinary, simple collapse, but a supernove would > do it, assuming that some types of supernovas do not result in a > neutron star. There is in fact quite a problem with the dwarf > companion. According to standard stellar theory the lifetime of a star > is *inversely* proportional to its mass. That is in order for the > dwarf companion to have "died" before the currently visible member > even left the main sequence it must have been enormously more massive > than Sirius prime. It is now *less* massive. This certainly implies > something like a supernova, yet there is *no* trace of a supernova > remnant, nor of a planetary nebula, nor of any other sort of expelled > mass around Sirius. That Sirius B is now less massive than Sirius A is not that unusual; there are lots of systems out there with the more massive member of a pair being the less evolved. The problem is, as mentioned above, that the more massive a star is, the faster its evolution. This is known as the "Algol paradox" since Algol (another famous binary star) has the same kind of trouble. The way out is that the (now) less massive star was more massive and has lost a lot of mass, possibly (maybe even probably) dumping matter on the (now) more (but then less) massive star. There isn't much doubt that this kind of thing happens quite frequently, though the details of binary star evolution are not all that well understood. (Give us time, we're working on it.) The problem with the Sirius system, to my mind, lies in the assumption that something has happened to it in historical times. I have no objection to the assertion that Sirius B was once more massive than it is now and subsequently became a red giant en route to a white dwarf; I object strongly to the suggestion that it was a red giant as little as 2000 years ago. (Incidentally, that Sirius B is a white dwarf indicates that it did *not* supernova; supernovae don't leave white dwarfs behind. Also, you're right that a supernova that close to us would be Very Bad News Indeed.) Red giants at the end of their red-giant-hood are thought to shed considerable mass in the form of a planetary nebula, with what they don't lose ending up as a white dwarf once the nebula dissipates. The planetary nebula phase doesn't last long (astronomically!). So, if you drop the requirement that things have happened in the last 2000 years, there's plenty of time for the red-giant-to-become-Sirius B to make a planetary, become a nice white dwarf, and then drift to within a few parsecs of Sol for us to see it, without appealing to anything exotic, and with all the nebula nicely dissipated into the general interstellar medium. I think most astrophysicists would agree with me that it would take a lot more evidence than what we have to make us think it possible that the Sirius system has undergone a real change in color in recent history. There *are* stars which do undergo impressive changes in color and brightness in times that short. We know enough about them and about Sirius to know that Sirius is not one of them. Until a detailed study of many historical documents from several cultures indicates otherwise (and such a study has not yet appeared) I feel justified in saying the burden of proof lies still with the historians. Jeff Brown the Scumbag {allegra,ihnp4}!{noao,ut-sally}!utastro!jeff jeff@astro.UTEXAS.EDU Astronomy Department, U. of Texas, Austin