Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/5/84; site psuvax1.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!ukma!psuvm.bitnet!psuvax1!berman From: berman@psuvax1.UUCP (Piotr Berman) Newsgroups: net.politics,net.auto Subject: Re: Massachusetts seat belt law Message-ID: <1946@psuvax1.UUCP> Date: Sun, 29-Dec-85 15:16:53 EST Article-I.D.: psuvax1.1946 Posted: Sun Dec 29 15:16:53 1985 Date-Received: Mon, 30-Dec-85 04:52:54 EST References: <294@frog.UUCP> <751@mit-eddie.UUCP> <8110@ucla-cs.ARPA> <146@decvax.UUCP> <959@brl-tgr.ARPA> <2439@amdahl.UUCP> Organization: Pennsylvania State Univ. Lines: 35 Xref: watmath net.politics:12713 net.auto:8912 > > > > The New York seat belt law is estimated to have saved over 170 lives > > already. Does this count? > > I am sure it does count for something. Your basic question > is: does the ends justify the means. > > I would rather look to fundamental principles of freedom and > democracy; of individual responsibility. However, the > current vogue in government is to use means to justify ends > and to replace individual responsibility with collective. > > Welcome to petty state socialism. > -- > E. Michael Smith ...!{hplabs,ihnp4,amd,nsc}!amdahl!ems > Ha! Awake, my naive Michael! You welcome petty socialism now? Where have you been when the big, nasty government make it illegal to drive without seat belts all over America? (Yep, you must have seatbelts in your car, or your car will not pass inspection.) Where have you been when the very fascist institution of state inspection was introduced? Whose damn bussiness is to check whether carbon monoxide can penetrate to your passanger compartment? Shouldn't you be free to drive with your windows open? Michael, the largest calamity is behind us: we were forced to purchase seatbelts, whether we intended to use them or not. A request to use the is just one of many on the slippery slope... Piotr Berman *** REPLACE THIS LINE WITH YOUR MESSAGE ***