Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/5/84; site terak.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!allegra!mit-eddie!think!harvard!seismo!hao!noao!terak!doug From: doug@terak.UUCP (Doug Pardee) Newsgroups: net.consumers Subject: Re: UPC Scanners Message-ID: <952@terak.UUCP> Date: Mon, 30-Dec-85 13:26:49 EST Article-I.D.: terak.952 Posted: Mon Dec 30 13:26:49 1985 Date-Received: Wed, 1-Jan-86 02:38:33 EST References: <300@opus.UUCP> <942@terak.UUCP> <1482@wanginst.UUCP> Distribution: net Organization: Calcomp Display Products Division, Scottsdale, AZ, USA Lines: 61 > >I find that scanner-equipped stores are actually significantly *slower* > >than the old manual methods (and it appears that they use as many or > >even more cashiers). > > Come on Doug, justify your *ridiculous* claim!!! I don't have to "justify" what I observe. It exists whether or not I can explain it and/or justify it. Where the stores used to use 2 or 3 cashiers during normal periods, and maybe 8 during Saturday rush, now they have to use 3 or 4 most of the time, and on Saturdays the lines back up well into the display aisles even though all 10 check-out lanes are manned. From a personal view, where I used to get impatient if I had to wait for 2 minutes, now I have to be content with a 5 to 10 minute wait. However... I saw a posting by Ron Natalie which provides a plausible explanation: the stores in my area have made no changes in their checking procedures. Also, it appears that there are significant differences in the kind of scanners used by different stores around the country, and ours must be the absolute worst. In the last year, a number of the groceries in my area have gone to the scanners, and they all seem to be of the same type. In all cases, the situation is the same: There is no conventional register... items are either scanned or (for produce) weighed. The scale has a keypad on which the clerk enters a code number for the type of produce. This keypad also serves as the entry point for "amount tendered", coupons, etc. The system has no capability to enter sale of non-coded, non-weighed items; so even the 50-lb dog food bags have to go up on the counter, and if you buy something by the case you have to open the case and take out one of the packages to be scanned. The cashiers use the one-hand approach, and probably 1/3 of the time have to make multiple passes over the scanner (if it missed the first time, it usually takes 3 to 5 passes before the scanner is happy). The Phoenix area stores never have used baggers on any regular basis, and still don't; the cashier bags the stuff after first scanning it all. Oh yes, we suffer the same scanner-related problems as others have noticed: the packages aren't marked (that being the big way the store saves money with scanners), and the shelves sometimes aren't properly labelled. Often, the merchandise is put at the wrong spot on the shelf (the 24 oz size appearing over the price sticker for the 16 oz size, or a national brand placed on the shelf with the store brand's price). And no unit pricing, of course. And it's impossible to monitor the prices being scanned, even if you can remember the correct price. Somebody posted a comment about the apparent failure of the "free market" to control this sort of nonsense. The situation here in Phoenix is terrible for supermarket operators -- almost a dozen major chains competing for far too few customers. In the last ten years at least a half-dozen grocery chains have failed (or pulled out of the market, same thing) because of the cutthroat competition. And yet, more and more stores here are installing equipment which inconveniences their customers. That tells me that scanners must be darn good at improving the profit margin (4% margin on reduced sales of $1 million beats 1% margin on sales of $3 million). -- Doug Pardee -- CalComp -- {hardy,savax,seismo,decvax,ihnp4}!terak!doug