Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/17/84; site hplabsb.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!ihnp4!houxm!vax135!cornell!uw-beaver!tektronix!hplabsb!bl From: bl@hplabsb.UUCP Newsgroups: net.games.chess Subject: Re: computer chess Message-ID: <3216@hplabsb.UUCP> Date: Thu, 2-Jan-86 13:13:12 EST Article-I.D.: hplabsb.3216 Posted: Thu Jan 2 13:13:12 1986 Date-Received: Sat, 4-Jan-86 04:59:12 EST References: <3199@hplabsb.UUCP> <623@oakhill.UUCP> <1063@cvl.UUCP> Distribution: net Organization: Hewlett Packard Labs, Palo Alto CA Lines: 45 > In article <623@oakhill.UUCP> davet@oakhill.UUCP (Dave Trissel) writes: > >In article <3199@hplabsb.UUCP> bl@hplabsb.UUCP (Bruce T. Lowerre) writes: > >>In case you haven't seen it, there was an article in the October > >>28 issue of Time about the latest computer chess machine, Hitech. > >> > >>The machine is currently rated at about 2250 which is master level > >>but Hans feels its actual rating is about 2500. The machine will > >>be entered in more turnaments to determine its actual rating and > >>to find the level of player that can consistently beat it. In > >>the mean time, its weaknesses are being patched. > >> > > > >I find the 2500 claim a little hard to believe. As the ratings get higher > >the more chess knowlege is required to be embedded in the program. (Just > >examine how large the opening libraries have grown from year to year in the > >best programs.) And, after leaving opening book the more chess knowlege > >embedded in the evaluation algorithms the slower which means fewer moves > >examined which leads to weak tactical play blundering. > > > >One obvious method of attack is to so specialize the program that it has > >a well defined goal decided at the time of exit from the opening book. > >But this would take a substantial effort and the results would still be > >inflexible. Anyone know any details of Hans system? > > > >Skeptically - Dave Trissel {ihnp4,seismo}!ut-sally!im4u!oakhill!davet The evaluation of positions after each move could be expensive if one were to include a large amount of chess knowledge in the evaluation. However, Hitech, like its predecessor Tech, uses a very simple evaluation metric, material gain or loss. However, with this type of evaluation, the program would be willing to play P-KR4 just as much as P-K4 for the opening move. Thus, the "chess knowledge" is put in to sort, or prioritise, the moves at the top of the search tree and the search is used to evaluate the tactical feasibility of the ordered set of moves. The kind of "chess knowledge" used depends on the position, i.e., opening book, middle game, king safety, end game, etc. > > > On the other hand, who would know better than a rated GM... Think > Hitech beats Berliner at games? I asked Hans how he plays against Hitech. Since he knows how the machine plays, he has an advantage. However, he says he played one game with it and drew.