Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site aoa.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!unc!mcnc!philabs!cmcl2!harvard!bbnccv!bbncca!aoa!carl From: carl@aoa.UUCP (Carl Witthoft) Newsgroups: net.games.board,net.math Subject: Re: Dice "Odds" Message-ID: <367@aoa.UUCP> Date: Mon, 16-Dec-85 11:45:35 EST Article-I.D.: aoa.367 Posted: Mon Dec 16 11:45:35 1985 Date-Received: Wed, 18-Dec-85 04:29:45 EST References: <309@tekigm2.UUCP> <4699@alice.UUCP> Reply-To: carl@aoa.UUCP (Carl Witthoft) Organization: Adaptive Optics Assoc., Cambridge, Mass. USA Lines: 22 Xref: watmath net.games.board:165 net.math:2641 In article <4699@alice.UUCP> ark@alice.UucP (Andrew Koenig) writes: >Let's disregard the red die and color the other two green and blue. >You will see that the green die can give any number from 1 to 6 >with equal probability and so can the blue die. Thie means that there are 36 equiprobable outcomes. What are the chances of rolling, ...and so on. There is an interesting fact he glossed over here. What happens if one uses two identical dice, i.e. same color and so on? In one line of reasoning, you'd say that rolling 5,6 is indistinguishable from rolling 6,5. This screws up the probality table. In fact, IT IS ONLY BY EXPERIMENT that it has been shown that dice always act as though they are distinguishable. By way of contrast, certain photon-photon scattering experiments show that two photons with identical energy and quantum numbers are NOT distunguishable. This is neat stuff. Darwin's Dad ( Carl Witthoft @ Adaptive Optics Associates) {decvax,linus,ihnp4,ima,wjh12,wanginst}!bbncca!aoa!carl 54 CambridgePark Drive, Cambridge,MA 02140 617-864-0201x356 "Selmer MarkVI, Otto Link 5*, and VanDoren Java Cut."