Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.3 4.3bsd-beta 6/6/85; site islenet.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!gamma!epsilon!zeta!sabre!petrus!bellcore!decvax!genrad!panda!talcott!harvard!seismo!lll-crg!lll-lcc!dual!islenet!jons From: jons@islenet.UUCP (Jonathan Spangler) Newsgroups: net.micro.amiga,net.micro.atari Subject: Re: ST wins over Amiga (??!) Message-ID: <1958@islenet.UUCP> Date: Fri, 20-Dec-85 18:38:52 EST Article-I.D.: islenet.1958 Posted: Fri Dec 20 18:38:52 1985 Date-Received: Thu, 26-Dec-85 04:11:43 EST References: <617@ihlpm.UUCP> <2511@dragon.fluke.UUCP> Reply-To: jons@islenet.UUCP (Jonathan Spangler) Distribution: net Organization: Islenet Inc., Honolulu Lines: 69 Xref: watmath net.micro.amiga:1292 net.micro.atari:2104 In article <2511@dragon.fluke.UUCP> kurt@fluke.UUCP (Kurt Guntheroth) writes: >On financial woes: > >It is true that Commodore posted a lose the last two quarters and is >technically in default on some corporate bonds. However Commodore's stock, >usually a good predictor of future performance is holding its value pretty >well. Let us remember too that Atari is swimming in debt. If Atari does Oh, come now, shall we resort to name-calling to achieve a logical end to this? Commodore is in serious financial trouble. Period. >On software availability: > >Lets see now. 520ST's became available in June and the software is now >ready in December. Uh, excuse me, but the Amiga was launched on July 23, 1985 -- >us all know where the relative priorities of software producers lie. I You know it's funny that you mention that now that Island Graphics has dropped the Amiga (which Commodore can't afford it seems). The thing I have seen of software availability is that there is *alot* of software available for the ST. Commodore admittedly has said that the software is lacking. Seems Comdex cleared up the issue of software -- for the ST anyway. >think it is easier to write programs for the Amiga and I think the designers >think so too. I think good hardware design and good system software will beat >early-to-market. I think no amount of partisanship by atari owners will It seems that if you think anymore, you may just overuse the word. Is there ever a time when you do more than *think*? Do you ever *do* anything? Hmmm... >... and I think its place in the market >is secure for awhile at least. But I don't tkink the Amiga is going away. There you go *thinking* again. Anyway, all flaming aside, I feel a sense of jealousy here. It seems that people here have to justify why they believe the Amiga is a better machine, because they can't believe that a machine like the 520ST exists. You know, it was interesting to read the article in Inforworld (12/2) on "Christmas Contenders". "Observers have noted some clear distinctions between the Amiga buyer and the Atari 520ST buyer. Although the ST is the less expensive computer, its typical buyer is a veteran computer user, according to Martin Bartholomey, owner of Home Computers Co... "We're winning the battle of the techies," says Sam Tramiel president of Atari..."Hackers are our first customers. They influence the market and tell their friends." On the other hand, the current Amiga buyer is likely to be a first-time computer buyer, says Ed Anderson, vice president of marketing of The Computer Factory..." The question then becomes: why do techies and experience computer users prefer the 520ST over the higher-priced Amiga? Hmmm. I probably planted a bomb. Oh well. Aloha, -- Jonathan Spangler {ihnp4,vortex,dual}!islenet!jons "On Thursday, the world came to an end."