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From: mykes@3comvax.UUCP (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: net.micro.amiga,net.micro.atari
Subject: Re: ST wins over Amiga (??!)
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Date: Thu, 26-Dec-85 17:30:52 EST
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Posted: Thu Dec 26 17:30:52 1985
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Some pretty nasty stuff here.  Bu facts are facts:  Atari was once a $2
Billion company, and a year later was sold to Tramiel for $75 Million, and
the ASSUMPTION of a LOT of debts Atari had run up.  Also, what do you expect
software publishers with ST products (or Sam Tramiel) to say in InfoWorld?
Flaming someone's statements is typical on this group it seems, but flaming 
the person himself is pretty low.  Both machines have great technology for the
money, it all boils down to how much money you want to spend, and how much 
you value things like more colors, better sounds, multi-tasking, or some
of the other features that the Amiga has over the ST.  The ST is a great 
machine for the money, which is something that some of us Amiga owners
seem to ignore.  Now lets be nice...
(as he gets off his soapbox and falls flat on his face...)

> In article <2511@dragon.fluke.UUCP> kurt@fluke.UUCP (Kurt Guntheroth) writes:
> >On financial woes:
> >
> >It is true that Commodore posted a lose the last two quarters and is
> >technically in default on some corporate bonds.  However Commodore's stock,
> >usually a good predictor of future performance is holding its value pretty
> >well.  Let us remember too that Atari is swimming in debt.  If Atari does
> 
> Oh, come now, shall we resort to name-calling to achieve a logical end
> to this? Commodore is in serious financial trouble. Period.
> 
> >On software availability:
> >
> >Lets see now.  520ST's became available in June and the software is now
> >ready in December.  
> 
> Uh, excuse me, but the Amiga was launched on July 23, 1985 -- 
> 
> >us all know where the relative priorities of software producers lie.  I
> 
> You know it's funny that you mention that now that Island Graphics has 
> dropped the Amiga (which Commodore can't afford it seems). The thing I
> have seen of software availability is that there is *alot* of software
> available for the ST. Commodore admittedly has said that the software 
> is lacking. Seems Comdex cleared up the issue of software -- for the ST 
> anyway.
> 
> >think it is easier to write programs for the Amiga and I think the designers
> >think so too.  I think good hardware design and good system software will beat
> >early-to-market.  I think no amount of partisanship by atari owners will
> 
> It seems that if you think anymore, you may just overuse the word. Is
> there ever a time when you do more than *think*? Do you ever *do* anything?
> Hmmm...
> 
> >... and I think its place in the market
> >is secure for awhile at least.  But I don't tkink the Amiga is going away.
> 
> There you go *thinking* again. Anyway, all flaming aside, I feel
> a sense of jealousy here. It seems that people here have to justify
> why they believe the Amiga is a better machine, because they can't
> believe that a machine like the 520ST exists.        
> 
> You know, it was interesting to read the article in Inforworld (12/2) on
> "Christmas Contenders". 
> 	"Observers have noted some clear distinctions between
> 	the Amiga buyer and the Atari 520ST buyer. Although 
> 	the ST is the less expensive computer, its typical 
> 	buyer is a veteran computer user, according to Martin
> 	Bartholomey, owner of Home Computers Co...
> 	
> 	"We're winning the battle of the techies," says Sam Tramiel
> 	president of Atari..."Hackers are our first customers. 
> 	They influence the market and tell their friends."
> 	On the other hand, the current Amiga buyer is likely 
> 	to be a first-time computer buyer, says Ed Anderson, vice
> 	president of marketing of The Computer Factory..."
> 
> The question then becomes: why do techies and experience computer
> users prefer the 520ST over the higher-priced Amiga? Hmmm.
> 
> I probably planted a bomb. Oh well.
> 
> Aloha, 
> 
> -- 
> Jonathan Spangler
> {ihnp4,vortex,dual}!islenet!jons
> "On Thursday, the world came to an end."

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