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From: mukesh@epistemi.UUCP (Mukesh Patel)
Newsgroups: net.politics,net.religion.jewish,net.nlang.india
Subject: Re: Arab tolerance
Message-ID: <384@epistemi.UUCP>
Date: Wed, 11-Dec-85 13:05:37 EST
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Posted: Wed Dec 11 13:05:37 1985
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Reply-To: mukesh@epistemi.UUCP (Mukesh Patel)
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>Yakim Martillo writes:
>
>I am simply stating fact.  The position of Jews and other non-Muslim
>minorities in the Muslim world has been in a state of almost
>continuous decline for the past millenium.  Even at best the
>non-Muslims were assigned second class status and continuous
>humiliation by Islamic law.  Now at times there have been Muslim
>rulers who treated non-Muslims much better than Islamic law permits.
>For such behavior the individual and not Islam deserves the credit.
>Recently, the flourishing of Persian-Indian music under the Moguls
>was discussed in net.nlang.india as an example of Islamic magnanimity
>and several respondents replied that Akbar was atypical of the muslim
>rulers and that he was constantly feuding with the religious
>leadership. The situation is similar in Muslim Spain.  There were many
>Muslim rulers who for various reasons refused to treat the non-Muslim
>population Islamically.

>By the standards of the Middle Ages Islam may have been slightly more
>tolerant than Christianity but much of Christian intolerance was
>learned from Muslims.  The inquisition did nothing which the Almohades
>had not done centuries earlier.  In any case my point was that until
>Islam shows some tolerance by *modern* standards, Islam is
>unacceptable as a social/political/religious system in the modern
>world and Muslims should not be permitted to rule territories.

The kindest thing I can say about Joachim etc,etc is that he is totally
demented.  Nobody in their right mind can produce such garbage.

It is obvious that a major symptom of his demented state is an unbridled 
hatered of Islam as a school of thought and it's followers, the Muslims.
Despite repeated efforts by more liberal minded contributors to this net
this guy refuses to engage in a sensible and rational debate.  If presented
with a counter-example he simply ignores it or rationalises it in terms of
individuals.  His basic premise is that all Muslims are brutal and intolerant
by "modern" (whatever that may imply) standards, and if a muslim does not
fit this stereotype then (hey presto!) he is NOT a good muslim.

I use to encounter this kind of sloppy arguments when I was 10 or 11 years old
which I assume to be Joachim's present mental age.  I suggest that from a
therapeutic point of view we should humour this simpleton.

Mukesh Jayantilal Maghanbhai Patel of Nar, Gujarat.

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