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From: martillo@hector.UUCP (Yakim Martillo)
Newsgroups: net.politics
Subject: Re: Apartheid on the West Bank
Message-ID: <185@hector.UUCP>
Date: Fri, 6-Dec-85 18:54:00 EST
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Posted: Fri Dec  6 18:54:00 1985
Date-Received: Tue, 10-Dec-85 21:51:30 EST
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Reply-To: martillo@hector.UUCP (Yakim Martillo)
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>Look, this debate has been raging for weeks now, and will continue raging
>till the palestinians are given a homeland, and until many Jews stop
>believeing they are Gods Gift to Humanity. 

Muslims were making random attacks and killing members of the local 
non-Muslim communities long before there was a Jewish state in the Middle
East.  Given the level of violence and intolerance throughout the Muslim
world and the rotten attitudes which Islam encourages, creating yet another
Muslim state would probably increase violence not decrease it.  Personally,
I have mixed feelings about the existence of Israel as a state but given
the behavior and history of Muslims, Muslim states have no legitimacy.

>The Jews have as much right to exist in this world as do the Palestinians,
>and as do anyone else. However, when any group is given the privilidge of
>independence, especially in the VERY SPECIAL case of Israel (how many other
>times have lands been partitioned and given to a releigious/racial 
>group to form an Independant nation  in the history of Man?), it is expected
>that some exempelary behaviour will be shown.

What planet do you come from Sinha?!  Have you ever heard of *Pakistan*?
I have had Muslim professors who called it the Muslim Israel.  In any
case the whole Ottoman Empire was basically carved up on the basis of
ethnic and religious differences.  All the Muslim Greeks (I believe
they were called Chams) had to leave for Albania or Turkey.  Most of
the Turkish Orthodox moved to Greece.  A large portion of the world's
states are basically drawn on ethnic and religious lines.

>Every indication shows that the PLO is ready to take what ever is offered to
>it. I believe that if Israel, Jordan, and Lebanon could set a side a
>mutually (along the PLO, of course!) agreeable peace of land, the LARGE
>SCALE WAR would end. 

Now I know you are bananas!  The only large scale war in the Middle
East is between Iraq and Iran.

>There will be minor incidents for many generations to come, but after a
>few generations, that too could hopefully end.

Oriental and Sefardic Jews took shit from Muslims for the past 40
generations, why should they be expected to take it all for the next
few generations?

Joachim Carlo Santos Martillo Ajami