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From: velu@eneevax.UUCP (Velu Sinha)
Newsgroups: net.politics
Subject: Re: Apartheid on the West Bank
Message-ID: <446@eneevax.UUCP>
Date: Mon, 9-Dec-85 00:12:18 EST
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Posted: Mon Dec  9 00:12:18 1985
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In article <185@hector.UUCP> martillo@hector.UUCP (Yakim Martillo) writes:
>Given the level of violence and intolerance throughout the Muslim
>world and the rotten attitudes which Islam encourages, creating yet another
>Muslim state would probably increase violence not decrease it.  Personally,
>I have mixed feelings about the existence of Israel as a state but given
>the behavior and history of Muslims, Muslim states have no legitimacy.

Muslims definitely have a DIFFERENT view of the world than the one which you
seem to subscribe to. But again, I caution you, that to say that Muslim
states have have no legitimacy is totally unfair. Just because their value
system happens to be different than yours is no reason for you to say they
are illegitimate. Muslim states are here to stay, as is Israel ... this is a
given and nothing which you, I, or anyone else can do is going to change
this.

>What planet do you come from Sinha?!  Have you ever heard of *Pakistan*?

I will admit that I did not make myself clear here. The point which I was
trying to make was that Israel seems to have a unique place in that a
committee (made up of prominent British, French, and American Zionists)
convinved the French (?), British, and American governemnts that due to the
persecution which the Jews had seen the world over, there was a need for a
Jewish homeland to be formed. 

From this, Israel emerged. The non-emergence of palestine is due to a lack
of leadership (which immediately leads to cries of pushing all of the people
with the leadership into the sea, unfortunately) on the Palestinians part.

Pakistan was formed at the insistance of one man who happened to play a very
powerful role in the Indian independance movement.  Pakistan would have
never come about were it not for the Independance of India. This one man was
the first President of Pakistan, and the basis for its first round of
leadership. As you seem to be knowing about Gandhi, you will know also that
the formation of Pakistan was opposed by him, and by many others. However,
because of the power/ear-of-the british which this man commanded, it was not
possible. (I have forgotten his name, sorry!) 

You will also note that there are more Muslims in India than in Pakistan.
Even though this "Muslim" state is right next door...


>>Every indication shows that the PLO is ready to take what ever is offered to
>>it. I believe that if Israel, Jordan, and Lebanon could set a side a
>>mutually (along the PLO, of course!) agreeable peace of land, the LARGE
>>SCALE WAR would end. 
>
>Now I know you are bananas!  The only large scale war in the Middle
>East is between Iraq and Iran.

The Invasion of Lebanon by the Israelis was just a defensive police action,
eh?

We are not discussing Iran and Iraq here. The LARGE SCALE WAR which I
referred tof was the one which the Israeli's are wadging against the
palestinians. (the PLO only, openly, but we have all heard what happened at the
refugee camps in Lebabnon. The Christian Phalangists were not acting alone.)

>>There will be minor incidents for many generations to come, but after a
>>few generations, that too could hopefully end.
>
>Oriental and Sefardic Jews took shit from Muslims for the past 40
>generations, why should they be expected to take it all for the next
>few generations?
>
>Joachim Carlo Santos Martillo Ajami

Your attitude shows that you are not ready for any compromise. What do you
suggest, Exterminate all of the Muslims? ''It is a Filthy Relegion with
Immoral practices, and they have been picking on the Choosen Few of God (the
Jews), therefore we should nuke them all?'' <-- Is this what you are saying?


Martillo: I haven't said things about your mental state, or what planet you
are from, or anything else. Please don't say such about me. Let us try to
keep this civil, eh?

Velu Sinha