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From: orb@whuts.UUCP (SEVENER)
Newsgroups: net.politics
Subject: Re: Russian quotes: John Birch Society??
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Date: Thu, 12-Dec-85 09:16:26 EST
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Posted: Thu Dec 12 09:16:26 1985
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> 		"A war with mercy between communism and capitalism
> 	is inevitable.  Today, of course, we are not strong enough to
> 	attack.  Our moment will come in twenty to thirty years time.
> 	To win we will naturally have to have the element of suprise
> 	on our side.  So the western bourgeosie will have to be put to
> 	sleep.  We will, therefore, have to launch the most spectacular
> 	peace movements the world has ever known.  They will contain
> 	electrifying proposals and extraordinary concessions.  The
> 	capitalist countries, decadent and stupid, will cooperate with
> 	joy in their own destruction.  They will jump at the chance of
> 	friendship and business. 
> 		And when their guard is down, we will crush them with our
> 	clenched fist."
> 			-- Dimitri Z. Manuilski
> 			Former President United Nations 
> 			Security Council General Council
> 
> 							-taw
 
So where did you obtain this quote?  The same place Reagan got the
following quote, supposedly from Lenin,  which he has used repeatedly?:
              "We will take Eastern Europe.  We will organize the
        hordes of Asia.  And then we will move into Latin America
        and we won't have to take the United States; it will fall into
        our hands like overripe fruit."
(Reagan repeated this quote in a recent interview with Ted Koppel; he
 has used it many other times)
 
Karl E. Meyer did some research substantiating this quote.  The White
House Press office could not document the quote.  The Library of
Congress could find the quote nowhere in either the Russian or
English editions of the Collected Works of Lenin, but only had a
press clipping describing the quote as a fake in 1958.
Finally he found the quote: in "The Blue Book of the John Birch
Society" on page 10.
(this is reported in the NYTimes October 8,1985, editorial page)

I suppose it should not be surprising that Reagan has repeatedly
mouthed fabrications of the John Birch Society as "truth".
But I am rather surprised that similar fantastic and totally
unsubstantiated sorts of claims are repeated on the net.
Will you please provide a credible reference for your above quote?
I will not consider "The Blue Book of the John Birch Society" or
similar tracts by the Christian Identity Movement, the Ku Klux Klan
or other such wacko right-wing sources credible.
It would be pretty stupid for any diplomat from *any* country to
make statements like the above - their public statements are
generally marvels of hypocrisy in support of their "peaceful
intentions" and so forth.
 
If you cannot substantiate your quote, I suggest you retract it.
 
       tim sevener   whuxn!orb