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From: ins_akaa@jhunix.UUCP (Kenneth Adam Arromdee)
Newsgroups: net.politics
Subject: Re: Myers on nrh on "untrue propaganda"
Message-ID: <1455@jhunix.UUCP>
Date: Mon, 16-Dec-85 17:25:04 EST
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In article <1804@uwmacc.UUCP> myers@uwmacc.UUCP (Latitudinarian Lobster) writes:
>> >I also been faced during my brief existence with the
>> >incontrovertible fact that the United States, since the Spanish-American
>> >War, has gone out of its way to crush any truly progressive government it
>> >has been able to get its hands on.  I'm willing to go into detail on any
>> >of the following cases: the Philippines immediately following the joint
>> >US-Filipino defeat of the Spanish; Chile in the early 1970's; Guatemala
>> >in 1954; Nicaragua from the 1920's till the present; the Dominican Republic
>> >in 1965; Vietnam from 1945-1975; Greece following WWII; Spain just before
>> >WWII; Cuba from 1960 till the present; ad infinitum.
>> I would like to know what you mean by "progressive". Many of these cases don't
>> seem at all to me like "progressive" governments, unless you're using "pro-
>> gressive" as a generic term for Communist.  What characteristics do you
>> consider characteristics of "progressive" governments?
>> Disclaimer: This does not mean I support all of these US actions.
>The word ``governments'' here should probably be replaced with the phrase
>``movements or governments.''  The Communist cases in the above would be
>Vietnam, Greece, and Cuba. [dictionary quote omitted]
>Jeff Myers

What I meant was, what actions or characteristics of these particular move-
ments or governments do you consider progressive?  I know what "progressive"
_means_, but why do you consider these particular ones as such?  In many of
these cases, the side the US supported was extremely bad (i.e. Vietnam) but
it seems to me that the other side was also very bad and in no way deserves
to be called "progressive".  Furthermore, many of the ones that could be
considered "progressive" are better than what was there before in some
respects, but much worse in others, and often even though they might be
better in some respects they "progressed" much more slowly than other non-
Communist U.S. supported governments.

(Second disclaimer: This does not mean that in _all_ of the cases you mentioned
I consider the other side to be non-progressive.)
-- 
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Kenneth Arromdee
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