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From: tan@ihlpg.UUCP (Bill Tanenbaum)
Newsgroups: net.politics
Subject: Re: Myers on nrh on "untrue propaganda"
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Date: Mon, 23-Dec-85 13:59:11 EST
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> > > [Jeff Myers]
> > > I also been faced during my brief existence with the
> > > incontrovertible fact that the United States, since the Spanish-American
> > > War, has gone out of its way to crush any truly progressive government it
> >                                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > has been able to get its hands on.  I'm willing to go into detail on any
> > > of the following cases: the Philippines immediately following the joint
> > > US-Filipino defeat of the Spanish; Chile in the early 1970's; Guatemala
> > > in 1954; Nicaragua from the 1920's till the present; the Dominican Republic
> > > in 1965; Vietnam from 1945-1975; Greece following WWII; Spain just before
> >            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > WWII; Cuba from 1960 till the present; ad infinitum.
> >         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > -------------------
> > [Me]
> > Cuba? Vietnam? Progressive?
> > I'd have to admit that both Cuba and Vietnam have made a lot of progress.
> > Progress in making a large number of their people want to live elsewhere.
> > How can anyone take Jeff Myers' opinions about the Sandinistas seriously
> > when we all can see what he truly admires?
> > -------------------
> > > [Jeff]
> > > Don't you folks see the pattern here, or are you so a part of the pattern
> > > that it's a part of you?
> > -------------------
> > You mean the Cuba, Vietnam pattern, Jeff?
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> [Jeff]
> [Stuff Omitted] 
> That's the pattern I'm talking about, you yahoo -- systematic quashing of
> nationalistic, anti-imperialist, Third World movements.
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I know what pattern YOU'RE talking about Jeff, and (surprise!) I agree with
much of what you say about U. S. foreign policy.  My question to you is
when you will wake up and see the OTHER pattern, the brutal totalitarian nature
of Cuba, Vietnam, and other Marxist "anti-imperialist" movements you so laud.
When you praise Cuba and Vietnam, and then procede to pile sainthood on top of
the Sandinistas, you are merely adding credence to the claim that Nicaragua
is another Cuba.  I am no admirer of the Contras, and am well aware of the
suffering they are causing, yet when I read you're postings I find myself
rooting for them as the lesser evil.  Your postings are counterproductive.
-- 
Bill Tanenbaum - AT&T Bell Labs - Naperville IL  ihnp4!ihlpg!tan