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From: myers@uwmacc.UUCP (Latitudinarian Lobster)
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Subject: Re: Myers on nrh on "untrue propaganda"
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Date: Thu, 26-Dec-85 12:05:13 EST
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> > I also been faced during my brief existence with the
> > incontrovertible fact that the United States, since the Spanish-American
> > War, has gone out of its way to crush any truly progressive government it
> > has been able to get its hands on.  I'm willing to go into detail on any
> > of the following cases: the Philippines immediately following the joint
> > US-Filipino defeat of the Spanish; Chile in the early 1970's; Guatemala
> > in 1954; Nicaragua from the 1920's till the present; the Dominican Republic
> > in 1965; Vietnam from 1945-1975; Greece following WWII; Spain just before
> > WWII; Cuba from 1960 till the present; ad infinitum.

>I know what pattern YOU'RE talking about Jeff, and (surprise!) I agree with
>much of what you say about U. S. foreign policy.  My question to you is
>when you will wake up and see the OTHER pattern, the brutal totalitarian nature
>of Cuba, Vietnam, and other Marxist "anti-imperialist" movements you so laud.
>When you praise Cuba and Vietnam, and then procede to pile sainthood on top of
>the Sandinistas, you are merely adding credence to the claim that Nicaragua
>is another Cuba.  I am no admirer of the Contras, and am well aware of the
>suffering they are causing, yet when I read you're postings I find myself
>rooting for them as the lesser evil.  Your postings are counterproductive.
> -- 
> Bill Tanenbaum - AT&T Bell Labs - Naperville IL  ihnp4!ihlpg!tan

Frankly, Bill, I don't know enough about present-day Vietnam or Cuba to have
an informed opinion as to the overall quality of their societies.  My purpose
in the article in question was to list cases where the US has IMMEDIATELY
jumped in to smash independence movements which it feels it can't control:
independence movements bent on modifying the old, hierarchical power structure.
I know much more about the diplomatic and military history of the two countries
than about the present there.

I'm awed that you consider my postings so important that you are willing to
switch your allegiance based upon them.  Seems that the power of the pen has
been replaced by the power of the keyboard.  Why not do some outside reading?

You say that you agree with much of what I say.  If that is true, may I ask
what you have done about these feelings lately?  Voted for Gary Hart in the
last Democratic Primary, perhaps? ;-)>

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