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From: berman@psuvax1.UUCP (Piotr Berman)
Newsgroups: net.politics
Subject: Re: Edwin Meese
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Date: Sun, 29-Dec-85 14:50:33 EST
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> > To start it off,  Edwin Meese as the Attorney General is a JOKE.   Just about
> > any schmuck off the street could do a better job.  Example: recently (w/n the
> > year) he was attacking the Due Process clause of the 5th amendment.
> > He wanted to pretty much do away with the right to an attorney, ect.  His
> > reasoning?  Here is a paraphrase " why should we provide these rights to
> > people who are under investigation?  If they were innocent they wouldn't
> > BE under investigation."  The man simply is a legal fool.
> >
> > Meese is an issue that all parts of the political spectrum should agree on.
> > The sooner he resigns the better.  Our basic rights, esp the 5th amendment,
> > should not be messed with.
> >
> >     Well?
> >
> >     Tom Hill
>
> Well, tell us what he said, not your interpretation of what he said.
> And tell us your sources, so that we can verify it for ourselves if we wish.
>
> It is indeed hard to imagine that an Attorney General would make a statement
> such as you attribute to him.  It is, in fact, much easier to imagine that
> he said something else but what he said got changed somewhere along the
> way.

Read some paper media, man!
The guy was quoted as saying that the Bill of Rights should not
apply to states.  This means nothing else but:
-- if your enlightened states thinks abortion is bad, it may ban it;
-- if your enlightened states thinks habeas corpus is bad, it may
   introduce detention of suspects made by the sole discretion of
   your state police;
-- etc.
The guy provided many times opinions to the Supreme Court which were
outrageously out of the bounds of the existing legal doctrine.

The guy is tough on crime, unless the criminals happen to be employed
by a large broker company.

During confirmation hearing, the joke was that he should be ask:

  "Mr. Meese, can you name a person that lended you any mony
   and who have not got any federal job afterwards?"

The greatest achievement of Meese is war against drugs.  It is a classic
operation which succeded but the patient died: the price of hard drugs
actually dropped.

Mr. Meese is loyal, ideological and incompetent.  His recent proposal
concerning affirmative action had to be blocked by his fellow cabinet
members: we are not talking here about some "liberal" chief justices!

As far as the remark

> Well, tell us what he said, not your interpretation of what he said.
> And tell us your sources, so that we can verify it for ourselves if we wish.

is concerned, I think that this newsgroup should not be a substitute
for reading newspapers.

Piotr Berman