Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site ucla-cs.ARPA Path: utzoo!lsuc!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxn!ihnp4!cbosgd!ukma!psuvm.bitnet!psuvax1!burdvax!sdcrdcf!ucla-cs!ekrell From: ekrell@ucla-cs.UUCP Newsgroups: net.politics Subject: Re: Whom Should We Believe Message-ID: <8201@ucla-cs.ARPA> Date: Sun, 29-Dec-85 17:03:37 EST Article-I.D.: ucla-cs.8201 Posted: Sun Dec 29 17:03:37 1985 Date-Received: Tue, 31-Dec-85 05:44:42 EST References: <36@decwrl.UUCP> <8084@ucla-cs.ARPA> <1843@uwmacc.UUCP> <8162@ucla-cs.ARPA> <1857@uwmacc.UUCP> Reply-To: ekrell@ucla-cs.UUCP (Eduardo Krell) Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Lines: 70 In article <1857@uwmacc.UUCP> myers@uwmacc.UUCP (Latitudinarian Lobster) writes: >We give up. Now that you have our interest up, Eduardo, will you >identify your patria? Ok, Jeff. The mistery is over. I am from Chile. >Might we also ask what brought you from your native land >to our golden shores? I am trying to get my Ph.D. in CS. That's the main reason. Pinochet's government helped me to make my mind and leave the country ASAP and is now keeping me from going back (not that I can't go back, I don't want to). >You might be surprised at how little most Americans know about their >own history. By Americans you mean U.S. citizens or people born in the americas? (We latin americans still view ourselves as americans, you know). I have noticed that U.S. citizens know very little about their own history (and even less about world history). I was also astonished by the lack of knowledge and interest in world events (unless they have to do with US interests). Can someone explain this phenomena? > ... (in reference to the christian democrats) ... >And it doesn't put them in control of the military, either. Right, that is why Duarte has to be very cautious with the military. I don't think the military trusts him 100%. If they view his policies as "too revolutionary", a coup is always possible. >Center-right, Center-center, or Center-left is also a matter >of perspective, ?no? Yes, of course it is, but christian democrats have always fought for social justice, human rights, etc. I have never seem them labelled other than as center-left (that is, by some objective observer. Pinochet views them as being allies with the communist ...). > ... (in reference to President Frei in Chile) ... >... He also worked for the military coup which killed >and overthrew Allende and thousands of Chileans on the hope that >he and/or his party could return to power in post-coup elections >-- but Pinochet had other plans. This is questionable. The christian democrats hold majority in the congress in 1970 when they had to choose a president between Allende and Alessandri (the first and second place in the elections). Since neither candidate got over 50% of the votes, the congress could pick one of the first two places. The national party (conservative right, Alessandri's) pressed the christian democrats to vote for Alessandri (so did the US government as we learned later), yet they voted for Allende to everyone's surprise. >> (me) >> Duarte has asked the rebels to sit down and negotiate with >> the government. They did so a couple of times but the rebels >> broke up the negotiations. >Sources? Talk is cheap I am not making this up, believe me. I think it was about a year ago whem the catholic church sponsored a meeting between Duarte and the rebel leaders in some remote wooden house in the countryside. I recall seeing TV footage of the meetings. There were great expectations from the meetings but the rebels' demands were unrealistic. -- Eduardo Krell UCLA Computer Science Department ekrell@ucla-locus.arpa ..!{sdcrdcf,ihnp4,trwspp,ucbvax}!ucla-cs!ekrell