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From: franka@mmintl.UUCP (Frank Adams)
Newsgroups: net.politics.theory
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Newsflash! [JoSH on Socialis
Message-ID: <841@mmintl.UUCP>
Date: Wed, 4-Dec-85 17:16:31 EST
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Posted: Wed Dec  4 17:16:31 1985
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Reply-To: franka@mmintl.UUCP (Frank Adams)
Organization: Multimate International, E. Hartford, CT
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Keywords: property rights, justice


In article <275@meccts.UUCP> mvs@meccts.UUCP (Michael V. Stein) writes:
>>The model seems to assume some form of fairness governing
>>the process of distributing wealth. If we are more realistic
>>and assume that a certain amount of corruption exists, wealth
>>will tend to accrue to not only the efficient producers, but
>>also to the efficient criminals. The more wealth one has, the
>>more power one has to manipulate and corrupt whatever system of
>>regulation is in place.
>
>The model assumes that there is a government that will enforce human
>rights (which of course include property rights).  

You can't just assume that there is a government that will enforce human
rights.  Like the man says, the more wealth one has, the more power
one has to manipulate and corrupt whatever system of regulation is
in place.  That INCLUDES your government.

>>The assumption that making a profit=producing social benefits
>>is not realistic in practice. For example, consider spillover
>>costs. If an oil refinery can produce petroleum products more
>>cheaply by polluting the environment the social costs of this
>>pollution are not necessarily reflected in the profits. 
>
>Again you are only mentioning violations of property rights.  (As has
>already been shown by others.)

Here we get closer to the real issues.  It is impossible to do ANYTHING
without polluting at least a little bit.  Where do you draw the line?
More to the point, HOW do you draw the line?  I have yet to see a
reasonable response to any of these questions from any libertarian.

Frank Adams                           ihpn4!philabs!pwa-b!mmintl!franka
Multimate International    52 Oakland Ave North    E. Hartford, CT 06108