Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site spar.UUCP Path: utzoo!lsuc!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!gamma!epsilon!zeta!sabre!petrus!bellcore!decvax!decwrl!spar!baba From: baba@spar.UUCP (Baba ROM DOS) Newsgroups: net.politics.theory Subject: Re: Reason gets no respect from Berman Message-ID: <709@spar.UUCP> Date: Mon, 16-Dec-85 15:11:33 EST Article-I.D.: spar.709 Posted: Mon Dec 16 15:11:33 1985 Date-Received: Wed, 18-Dec-85 19:55:57 EST References: <1538@hound.UUCP> <1671@cbsck.UUCP> <334@l5.uucp> Organization: The Institute of Impure Science Lines: 23 > In article <1671@cbsck.UUCP> pmd@cbsck.UUCP (Paul M. Dubuc) writes: > >How does reason compel one to believe that all humans have equal value? > > I don't think that it does. But, if you value the ability to reason then > it will be very clear that those who can reason are valuable. And you > then cannot use violence against people because they are valuable and it > is inconsistent with your valuing of reason. > > Laura Creighton > > ps -- note I am not saying that the reason people value other people is > because they reason, just that anyone who honestly values reason will > be constrained this way. I can accept the idea that those who can reason have some implicit positive value. I do not see how it follows from this that the use of violence against such beings is *necessarily* inconsistent with my valuing of reason, since there may be things to be gained by the use of violence that I value *more* than the reasoning ability of my victim. Of course, depending on who I am, that might be anything from the safety of my children to my next fix. Baba