Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site ritcv.UUCP Path: utzoo!lsuc!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!gamma!epsilon!zeta!sabre!petrus!bellcore!decvax!decwrl!pyramid!ut-sally!seismo!rochester!ritcv!abh6509 From: abh6509@ritcv.UUCP (Hudson) Newsgroups: net.politics.theory Subject: Re: Rand and Responsibility Message-ID: <9176@ritcv.UUCP> Date: Sun, 15-Dec-85 22:52:43 EST Article-I.D.: ritcv.9176 Posted: Sun Dec 15 22:52:43 1985 Date-Received: Wed, 18-Dec-85 19:57:41 EST References: <2aafa81e.a51@apollo.uucp> Reply-To: abh6509@ritcv.UUCP (Andrew) Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology, Rochester, NY Lines: 33 In article <2aafa81e.a51@apollo.uucp> christensen@apollo.uucp (Wendy Christensen) writes: >I have been looking in on this "real-libertarianism vs. brain-damage-libertarianism >vs socialism vs ..." discussion for a while now. What surprises and disturbs me is >that I have seen no reference, even from the libertarians (who ought to know better) >of responsibility. I see lots of talk about freedom, liberty, property rights, reason >vs. force, but no mention of the necessary balancing agent, responsibility. Many of >the straw men (for that is what they are, at bottom) set up by the statists and >socialists could be much more effectively demolished with intelligent reference to >and use of responsibility. Responsibility is basic throughout Rand's work, and I >find it astounding that this aspect of her philosophy has not entered into these >discussions. Perhaps some of the more irresponsible "Randroids" only want to claim the >easy parts? I would like to see explanations for this strange omission. Anyone >willing to take up this challenge? > >w. christensen >I am responsible for the opinions expressed above. Ok, ok! I admit it! I've been using Rand's Individualism as a rationalism soley to further my own ends. There. Its out. Ok? As far as responsibility goes, lets just keep in mind that a majority of her works were written before this Republic of Welfare State, USA got really going. I don't think that she ever dealt directly with the aspect of trading between Modern Socialism (Soc Sec et al) and hardcore poverty. I sort of got the impression that if the good guys were unbridled, their achievements would make up for not having a welfare safety net. Sort the old fashioned way, sort of the good part of what Ronny is making bad. Is this general enough?? Irresponible enough?? A. Hudson