Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site mmintl.UUCP Path: utzoo!lsuc!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!gamma!epsilon!zeta!sabre!petrus!bellcore!decvax!mcnc!philabs!pwa-b!mmintl!franka From: franka@mmintl.UUCP (Frank Adams) Newsgroups: net.politics.theory Subject: Re: Communism as historical tragedy Message-ID: <896@mmintl.UUCP> Date: Mon, 16-Dec-85 11:04:43 EST Article-I.D.: mmintl.896 Posted: Mon Dec 16 11:04:43 1985 Date-Received: Thu, 19-Dec-85 19:20:02 EST References: <364@ubvax.UUCP> <28200354@inmet.UUCP> <384@ubvax.UUCP> Reply-To: franka@mmintl.UUCP (Frank Adams) Organization: Multimate International, E. Hartford, CT Lines: 21 In article <384@ubvax.UUCP> tonyw@ubvax.UUCP (Tony Wuersch) writes: [Discussing the Russian revolution in the context of Russian industrial development:] >Eventually, the more industrial development without a corresponding >bourgeoisie, the more leverage workers would have in a revolutionary >situation. Hence in the long run a workers party like the Bolsheviks >or Mensheviks would have succeeded, and it would have had similar >problems to the Bolsheviks as it tried to extend its control beyond >the cities. I don't think this is a possible development. Industrial development, after the early stages, always generates a middle class. The first steps are different -- you have owners and workers. But more sophisticated operations require managers, and technical sophistication requires technicians. These two groups have to be middle class -- they have too much responsibility to be left out, yet must be too numerous to be upper class. So there is every reason to believe that the Russia would have produced a middle class under the Tsars, as it did under the Communists. Frank Adams ihpn4!philabs!pwa-b!mmintl!franka Multimate International 52 Oakland Ave North E. Hartford, CT 06108