Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.3 4.3bsd-beta 6/6/85; site l5.uucp Path: utzoo!lsuc!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!ihnp4!mhuxn!mhuxr!ulysses!gamma!epsilon!zeta!sabre!petrus!bellcore!decvax!decwrl!sun!l5!laura From: laura@l5.uucp (Laura Creighton) Newsgroups: net.politics.theory Subject: Re: Reason gets no respect from Berman Message-ID: <350@l5.uucp> Date: Sat, 21-Dec-85 16:23:40 EST Article-I.D.: l5.350 Posted: Sat Dec 21 16:23:40 1985 Date-Received: Mon, 23-Dec-85 05:49:29 EST References: <1538@hound.UUCP> <1671@cbsck.UUCP> <334@l5.uucp> <709@spar.UUCP> Reply-To: laura@l5.UUCP (Laura Creighton) Organization: Nebula Consultants in San Francisco Lines: 23 >I can accept the idea that those who can reason have some implicit >positive value. I do not see how it follows from this that the >use of violence against such beings is *necessarily* inconsistent >with my valuing of reason, since there may be things to be gained >by the use of violence that I value *more* than the reasoning ability >of my victim. Of course, depending on who I am, that might be anything >from the safety of my children to my next fix. > > > Baba I think that we are not using ``value'' in the same way. You cannot value reason and then abandon it when it becomes convenient to do so -- or rather there is a sense of the word ``value'' that is consistent with this meaning, but that was not the sense in which I was using the word. I do not initiate violence on people because I value them -- and anyone who would initiate violence upon another and still claim that they valued them would have a lot of explaining to do, beginning with this inconsistency. -- Laura Creighton sun!l5!laura (that is ell-five, not fifteen) l5!laura@lll-crg.arpa