Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP
Posting-Version: version B 2.10.3 4.3bsd-beta 6/6/85; site hpda.UUCP
Path: utzoo!decvax!decwrl!glacier!oliveb!hplabs!hpda!on
From: on@hpda.UUCP (Owen Rowley)
Newsgroups: net.religion
Subject: Re: Oleg Kiselev does not like Charli Phillips
Message-ID: <1267@hpda.UUCP>
Date: Thu, 2-Jan-86 13:42:14 EST
Article-I.D.: hpda.1267
Posted: Thu Jan  2 13:42:14 1986
Date-Received: Sat, 4-Jan-86 03:17:03 EST
References: <317@cisden.UUCP> <196@birtch.UUCP> <343@cisden.UUCP> <218@birtch.UUCP> <357@cisden.UUCP>
Reply-To: on@hpda.UUCP (Owen Rowley)
Distribution: na
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Cupertino, CA
Lines: 42
Keywords: sources qoutes

>In article <357@cisden.UUCP> john@cisden.UUCP (John Woolley) writes:

>Even though he says "No apologies", I have to assume Mr. Kiselev has backed
>down from his original proposition that St. Paul and St. Thomas claim sexual
>pleasure is evil.  Otherwise I'm at a loss to explain why he changed the
>subject in this last posting to the status of women.
>
>If I'm wrong, Mr. Kiselev, if you still maintain (without being able to
>support your claim with quotations) that Christianity holds pleasure to be
>evil, please say so instead of just leaving us to guess.  
>				Peace and Good!,
>				      Fr. John Woolley

Iregardless of what is said in judeo christian scripture, the fact remains that
christian religious organisations of several flavors have drawn the conclussion that sex is for procreation only and that pleasure from sex is ungodly.
One can hardly ignore the fact that these concepts can be found alive today in 
many areas. I see the status of woman and the subjegation of same by the 
Jayweh cults as a central issue to the arguement.. after all one might question
if the Cow enjoys giving milk, in the same fashion when you place women
on a par with cattle it is easy to question whether they can enjoy sex.
These problems have arisen because this collection of documents called
the bible
is such a mish mash of historical (histerical) dogma that has been translattedf
and retranslatted , interpreted and reinterpreted over the last several thousand
years that one can find justification for ANYTHING somewhere in its confines.
The Judeo christian saga has been a blight on humanity from its earliest
beginnings. the Worlds tragedy that has befallen us from the infliction
of Jahwehs wrath as carried out by his minnions is that we will never recover
the vast repositorys of ancient knowledge obliterated in the name of christ
History may choose to whitewash the terror of this onslaught but the Earth
itself will continue to live and refresh itself whatever we choose to do.
Even now that we are straining to unleash a nuclear nightmare in a final
flash of stubborness over a dozen different Holy wars it is heartening to
know that in terms of Geological time our entire his/herstory is but a 
moment.
Lux.. on
Owen Rowley
hpda!on

"Come forth Oh my children, under the Stars
and take thy fill of Love"
			Liber Al