Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: Notesfiles $Revision: 1.7.0.10 $; site uiucdcs Path: utzoo!lsuc!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!ihnp4!inuxc!pur-ee!uiucdcs!nachum From: nachum@uiucdcs.CS.UIUC.EDU Newsgroups: net.religion.jewish Subject: Re: ten tal u'matar Message-ID: <44500030@uiucdcs> Date: Thu, 12-Dec-85 12:34:00 EST Article-I.D.: uiucdcs.44500030 Posted: Thu Dec 12 12:34:00 1985 Date-Received: Mon, 16-Dec-85 19:39:41 EST References: <214@pluto.UUCP> Lines: 25 Nf-ID: #R:pluto.UUCP:214:uiucdcs:44500030:000:1025 Nf-From: uiucdcs.CS.UIUC.EDU!nachum Dec 12 11:34:00 1985 /* Written 11:39 pm Dec 10, 1985 by dave@lsuc.UUCP in uiucdcs:net.religion.jewish */ I've always wondered about this one. To my knowledge, this is the only instance in all of Jewish observance where the solar calendar, rather than the lunar (Jewish) calendar, is used to define a date; hence it's always December 4. Why? Dave Sherman The Law Society of Upper Canada -- { ihnp4!utzoo pesnta utcs hcr decvax!utcsri } !lsuc!dave /* End of text from uiucdcs:net.religion.jewish */ Not always Dec 4th, but sometimes the 5th. Actually, the date is 60 days after an approximation to the Autumn Equinox. I believe the talmudic approximation (365.25 days/year) is about two weeks off from the real equinox this century. The Gregorian calendar uses a better approximation (365.24 days/year), hence the constantly increasing discrepancy (1 day/century). The "blessing of the sun" every 28 years (when the Spring quinox returns to the same day of week and time of day) derives from the same approximation of the solar year.