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From: chris@leadsv.UUCP (Chris Salander)
Newsgroups: net.singles
Subject: Re: New Discussion (first meetings)
Message-ID: <723@leadsv.UUCP>
Date: Fri, 13-Dec-85 16:20:35 EST
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Posted: Fri Dec 13 16:20:35 1985
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Summary: explanation

In article <130400004@hpfcls.UUCP>, baker@hpfcla.UUCP writes:
> 
> 	Professions are only as dull as you choose to present/make them.

		Three of the four questions were directed to this 
	issue.  A lot of engineers stay home because if they go out
	they have to compete with the Sales/Marketing/Business types
	who wear suits and ties and have contact lens and even seem
	to make more money.  It seems as if many "techies" cannot
	see the sense in "fixing themselves up" to compete.  They 
	probably feel uncomfortable being something they're not and
	wait for someone to like them, flannels shirts and all.
	There seems to be divided opinion here.  Do you change 
	so you can compete? Or do you stay the same and wait for
	acceptance?  I have heard of several instances where women
	refused to see someone because they found out he was an
	engineer or programmer.  And I have know people to a buy
	flashy car rather than a practical one, because they felt
	it was necessary to attract the opposite sex.  

		I guess what I am saying is that "women's liberation'
	has allowed women to choose someone for the same stupid reasons
	that men do, such as looks and excitement.  Before, family and	
	parents would pressure them into marrying someone who was
	stable and had a good career (like a techie?).  My parents
	still think that being a techie should make me a "good catch".
	I have trouble explaining to them that has techies have become 
	an anathema.

		You're right that there is some self-pity involved.
	Bad habit of mine.  Still, I hope that what I have seen is
	seen by others and that someone has some wisdom to impart.
	The braces issue was what I was really after - 

> 	As for avoiding braces, BIG MISTAKE!  I too, needed braces while
> 	I was  living  at home  but  economic  considerations  prevented
> 	getting the corrective  help my teeth needed.  So, after leaving
> 	home  and  starting  to  work  with a  corporation  with  a good
> 	dental/medical  plan I decided to take the  plunge.  

	- exactly my situation.  Also, contrary to previous comments,
	MOLARS ONLY are involved, so my appearance is not affected.

>       GO FOR IT!

	- that's what everyone says.  
	
	I guess I must embrace the issue.  :-)     Chris