Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.3 4.3bsd-beta 6/6/85; site ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxn!ihnp4!ucbvax!space From: dietz@SLB-DOLL.CSNET (Paul Dietz) Newsgroups: net.space Subject: Re: Manned Mars Trip Message-ID: <8512071719.AA10364@s1-b.arpa> Date: Sat, 7-Dec-85 10:13:13 EST Article-I.D.: s1-b.8512071719.AA10364 Posted: Sat Dec 7 10:13:13 1985 Date-Received: Sun, 8-Dec-85 03:05:52 EST Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Organization: The ARPA Internet Lines: 42 A manned Mars trip should have low priority. The following items are more important: (1) Cheaper transport to low earth orbit (2) Reusable OTV's (robotic or remote controlled) (3) Storage areas in LEO and GEO for parts & fuel for OTV's (4) A LEO space station (5) A GEO space station (6) Visits to asteroids co-orbital with earth, if any exist (7) A lunar base (8) Visits to some Apollo/Amor asteroids It really makes little sense to visit Mars until we can do so economically. This will require more infrastructure around earth if we want to establish a base there at a reasonable cost. The payback from asteroid visits is also likely to be higher, if large amounts of mass can be returned to earth orbit. Of course, there will be scientific benefits from a Mars mission, but the results would be expensive, and more science could be done on earth (in other fields) for the same money. Of the eight points I listed above, (1) is the most important for making a Mars mission practical. A Mars ship will be heavy. In proposed Mars missions I've seen, the major cost has been bringing the Mars ship and its fuel into orbit. The rockets used in the Mars mission could be conventional LH/LOX chemical rockets or NERVA-type nuclear rockets. Some sort of beam-powered (microwave or laser) electric rocket could also be practical, at least for the boost away from earth. The first missions to Mars will probably establish bases on or near Phobos and/or Deimos. These moons are likely to contain water and carbon compounds, and could be processed into air, food and fuel. Probably the cheapest way to get to Mars in the near term is by an Orion-type rocket. It could be built in orbit to reduce fallout, but this would again require cheap boosters to put its thousands of tonnes of mass into space. ET materials might be useful as shielding, or for structural material, if a nickel-iron asteroid could be snared. Water or carbon compounds from asteroids or the moons of Mars could be used as reaction mass in the shaped nuclear charges.