Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site brl-tgr.ARPA Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!bonnie!akgua!gatech!ut-sally!seismo!brl-tgr!wmartin From: wmartin@brl-tgr.ARPA (Will Martin ) Newsgroups: net.space Subject: Re: Shuttle External Tanks and Space Stations Message-ID: <586@brl-tgr.ARPA> Date: Wed, 11-Dec-85 13:52:24 EST Article-I.D.: brl-tgr.586 Posted: Wed Dec 11 13:52:24 1985 Date-Received: Fri, 13-Dec-85 20:08:57 EST References: <8512011611.AA12940@s1-b.arpa> <6196@utzoo.UUCP> <6205@utzoo.UUCP> <2364@amdahl.UUCP> Organization: USAMC ALMSA, St. Louis, MO Lines: 49 I'm sure we can all agree that there may be difficulties in using shuttle External Tanks (ETs) in building a space station. However, I'm also sure that we can all agree that there MAY be a use for them later in the space station construction project. Some possibilities (general storage, air or fuel storage, garden space, privacy areas, etc.) have already been suggested on the net. In any case, right now we are taking them to a certain point, and then discarding them back to burn up in the atmosphere. To stop doing this may cost something in shuttle payloads, or save something in fuel usage (I've seen both views expressed here). I think the problem is that, if the ETs are taken up to LEO, and just left there, their orbits will decay relatively rapidly, and they will burn up and be lost anyway (plus we'll have the old "Skylab-is-falling" bad PR of space debris falling back in random locations). So, what will it cost (in terms of impact on current missions, development and implementation costs, etc.) to arrange for all future ETs to be carried up to LEO and then put into some higher "parking" orbit, where they can orbit eternally out of everyones' way until someone decides they want one? Thus they can be stored for eventual use if and when they are needed. I would think that this would be the best course. It keeps open the greatest possible number of options, and I would think that the incremental cost to do this would be roughly the cost of one PAM or equivalent per shuttle launch, plus some amortized engineering costs. This is trivial in comparison to the costs at some future time to boost into orbit enough raw material or prefab assemblies to create enclosed space equivalent to the volume of an ET. When the future space station operators need an ET-sized space, all they'll have to do is send up the inter-orbit transfer vehicle to the "parking lot" where the ETs are orbiting, and give one a shove in the right direction and time so that it sprials down to the station's orbit at a convenient moment. Minimal cost, no need to bother the groundhogs, etc. After all, mass in orbit is like money in the bank -- if you've got it there, you can always get it out, and it can be left indefinitely for future use, even if now you can't figure out what good it might be. If it is not there, it will cost you to get some in there. Why throw away what we already [almost] have by discarding ETs any longer? Up till now, shuttle flights have really been more like experiments than operations, so I can't fault NASA for not complicating things by trying to do this too. But, as shuttle flights become routine business, lets get this built in as a side benefit, as long as it can be done reasonably. Regards, Will Martin UUCP/USENET: seismo!brl-bmd!wmartin or ARPA/MILNET: wmartin@almsa-1.ARPA