Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.3 4.3bsd-beta 6/6/85; site dg_rtp.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!gamma!epsilon!zeta!sabre!petrus!bellcore!decvax!mcnc!rti-sel!dg_rtp!throopw From: throopw@dg_rtp.UUCP (Wayne Throop) Newsgroups: net.space Subject: Asynchronous orbital skyhooks (those two masses...) Message-ID: <70@dg_rtp.UUCP> Date: Thu, 2-Jan-86 15:30:52 EST Article-I.D.: dg_rtp.70 Posted: Thu Jan 2 15:30:52 1986 Date-Received: Sat, 4-Jan-86 04:46:20 EST References: <8512312026.AA15784@s1-b.arpa> Lines: 63 > At the intersection point the masses are moving > with a relative velocity of ~6000 mph (~2.7 kps). A deceleration > of 5g for 1 minute will bring them to relative rest - which doesn't > seem too hairy. I was assuming that the join must happen in a few dozens of meters distance, or at most a few hundred meters. To happen over many tens of kilometers as proposed above is much more reasonable. But about the only reasonable thing I can think of that would provide that kind of interaction between two masses over that kind of distance is a skyhook variant of some sort. Can a currently-designable skyhook provide ~2.7 KPS of delta-v? I suspect so. I'm not sure how to position and maintain the skyhook (or any other "joiner" device) in the two masses scenario, but this is much more reasonable than what I read into the proposal at first. (I was led to imagine an inelastic colision of two relativly small, dense, balls of silly-putty. Splat! :-) But what is wrong with the more "traditional" scenario of an asynchronous skyhook in medium-high orbit? Once constructed, it could provide the couple-of-KPS-delta-v needed to modify a long eliptical orbit (or suborbital arc) into a more nearly circular orbit, and could be kept on station by performing the reverse delta-v on ballast masses. (Note that these ballast masses could be provided from a ground catapult, or from high orbit. Providing the ballast from the ground is quite similar to the two-masses scenario, but the "join" strictly speaking never happens, and the interaction between the cargo mass and the ballast mass (which in this scheme might also be a cargo mass!) can be time-delayed.) Question: Is a (ground-catapult / orbital injection skyhook) system more economical than a (ground-catapult / traditional injection via a reaction motor) system? Even with the orbital skyhook, the injection would probably have to be modified by a "trim" reaction burn to get really good and precise orbits, and the station-keeping activities for the skyhook are probably not trivial. Answer: I don't know. I expect there is some volume of traffic at which a skyhook would be more economical, but not at the low volumes we now have. Question: since synchronous orbital skyhooks are considered feasible for Mars and the Moon, why isn't more attention given to asynchronous orbital skyhooks for providing various delta-vs in orbital injection scenarios near Earth? Is the idea intrinsically non-feasible, or what? Answer: I don't know, but I suspect they are most useful if the ground catapult problem is solved, and ground catapults aren't too terribly feasible yet. Question: Why wouldn't an asynchronous skyhook allow a high-flying air-breather (or detachable part thereof) to be injected into LEO? Answer: I don't know that either, but it may have something to do with "drag". Also, feeding such a skyhook ballast wouldn't be cheap. Sigh. -- Wayne Throop at Data General, RTP, NC !mcnc!rti-sel!dg_rtp!throopw