Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site ttidcc.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!unc!mcnc!philabs!ttidca!ttidcc!hollombe From: hollombe@ttidcc.UUCP (The Polymath) Newsgroups: net.suicide Subject: Re: Suicide (there's nothing macho about a dead body) Message-ID: <62@ttidcc.UUCP> Date: Tue, 17-Dec-85 13:24:39 EST Article-I.D.: ttidcc.62 Posted: Tue Dec 17 13:24:39 1985 Date-Received: Thu, 19-Dec-85 04:42:52 EST References: <57@ttidcc.UUCP> <57@mit-amt.MIT.EDU> Reply-To: hollombe@ttidcc.UUCP (The Polymath) Organization: The Cat Factory Lines: 38 Summary: In article <57@mit-amt.MIT.EDU> simsong@mit-amt.MIT.EDU (Simson Garfinkel) writes: >In article <57@ttidcc.UUCP>, hollombe@ttidcc.UUCP (The Polymath) writes: >> I find the current tone of the discussion in this group disturbing. The >> gist of what I'm reading seems to be there's something macho about a >> successful suicide while those who try and fail are spineless wimps. That >> has to be the stupidest attitude I've encountered in some time and I hope >> I'm misinterpreting it. > >Definately, I'm sure that the discussion has gotten out of hand. Definitely what? I'm misinterpreting or the attitude is stupid? >If, in your opinion, suicide can never be justified on psychological reasons >(e.g.: you're depressed, or your family has died, or something like that) >can it be justified on physical ones, like you have an incurable disease >(something quite common these days with AIDS and all) or you have a physical >handicap? (I know that these two cases are not the same). I didn't say suicide can never be justified on psychological grounds. Never is a word I seldom use in any case, and using it here would create the situation I was criticizing: Judging people in ignorance of the facts. In the end, those who live and those who die all make their own decisions, based on their perceptions of their situations. To hang labels such as "justified", "cowardly", etc., on any individual, even with intimate knowledge of their circumstances, is presumptuous in the extreme. To put such labels on a group of people in absence of any facts about them is unconscionable and says more about the labeler than the people labeled. That is the point I'm trying to make. -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe) Citicorp(+)TTI Common Sense is what tells you that a ten 3100 Ocean Park Blvd. pound weight falls ten times as fast as a Santa Monica, CA 90405 one pound weight. (213) 450-9111, ext. 2483 {philabs,randvax,trwrb,vortex}!ttidca!ttidcc!hollombe