Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.3 4.3bsd-beta 6/6/85; site aero.ARPA Path: utzoo!decvax!ittatc!dcdwest!sdcsvax!sdcrdcf!trwrb!trwrba!aero!zeus From: zeus@aero.ARPA (Dave Suess) Newsgroups: net.abortion Subject: Re: a task for those opposed to abortion Message-ID: <210@aero.ARPA> Date: Mon, 13-Jan-86 17:44:07 EST Article-I.D.: aero.210 Posted: Mon Jan 13 17:44:07 1986 Date-Received: Thu, 16-Jan-86 00:20:56 EST References: <1100@oddjob.UUCP> <380@cisden.UUCP> <387@cisden.UUCP> Reply-To: zeus@aero.UUCP (Dave Suess) Distribution: na Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA Lines: 28 Keywords: specious Summary: try not to use Nazis, OK? In article <387@cisden.UUCP> john@cisden.UUCP (John Woolley) writes: >And again, so is murder a moral issue. If some Nazi actually thinks it's >okay to go around shooting Jews, I'm not going to argue that he should >be allowed to because, after all, you can't force morality on people >who don't want it. I don't care whether the Nazi *wants* to be subject >to my morality -- I'm going to do the best I can to impose it on him and >thereby protect his victims. Every year, I ask that the Nazis be left out of arguments (since it lends an air of emotionalism based on what is often a side issue). Here, even though the subject is murder (in a general sense), there is an analogy where 1) pro-choice-for-abortion equates with "Nazi", and 2) foetus equates with "Jew". Murder in general is quite different than a racist variant, and using Nazis and Jews would seem, as usual, inappropriate. Nobody mentioned aborting just Jewish foetuses, after all. There is a place for Nazis-Jews references here, but the context should be ideologies of Nazis and Jews as they pertain to abortion. And recall that the Nazis were very much anti-abortion (for German-Aryans), expressing the opinion that, for the good of the state, women should be making more and more German-Aryans (more soldiers, and more soldier-mothers, presumably). [See how easy it is? My comments equate anti-abortion with "Nazi" now, when really I should have left it at the "good of society" argument, without painting it with the emotion of "Nazis!" Hence, my above paragraph is specious, and should never be cited as an argument on these issues.] Dave Suess