Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.3 4.3bsd-beta 6/6/85; site sdcc3.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!ukma!psuvm.bitnet!psuvax1!burdvax!sdcrdcf!sdcsvax!sdcc3!ec120bdh From: ec120bdh@sdcc3.UUCP (MATTHEW SCHOLZ) Newsgroups: net.auto Subject: re:best car worst car Message-ID: <3124@sdcc3.UUCP> Date: Wed, 8-Jan-86 14:32:51 EST Article-I.D.: sdcc3.3124 Posted: Wed Jan 8 14:32:51 1986 Date-Received: Sat, 11-Jan-86 07:09:44 EST Organization: U.C. San Diego, Academic Computer Center Lines: 85 Keywords: FIAT=HELL O.k. gang here is the single worst car that should (along with it's designers, manufacturers, producers, engineers, and sales reps. burn in hell for all eternity) never have been built, the FIAT, either the boxy looking 128 sl (1974) or the X19. Consider: 1) Performance: the 128 corners well until the front wheel bearing give out, and then they can't be replaced, because the hub was flared in assembly to never allow removal. This front end also results in the death of the; cv joint, spyder, boot, bushings, and trans. with a discount repair cost of $285-$600. 2) Economy: the gas sending unit gives out after about 70,000 miles, and to replace it the "factory trained" mechs. split the gas tank in half, and put the beast in resulting in *severe* gas leaks if the tank is ever filled above the 1/2 way mark (4.5 gals). 3) Reliability: the thing has a rubber timing belt that if not replaced every "30,000 miles" (more like 20K actually) will break, and when it does, on its last dying suicidal revs the valves all open, the piston tries to compress, and the resulting firing bends the valves, warps the aluminum head, and scores the cylinder (resulting cost: + $1000). The brake components are made of a highly breakable plastic which noone stocks, and there is a magnet in some of the lousy transmissions used to collect filings, but when it gets old the little itty bitty magnet lodges itself in the 4 th gear somewhere, and one revolution later, POW! new trany. 4) Ease of repair: The welding on the adjustable passenger side seat broke. No one said they could weld the thing, and the closest seat in S.D. was on a '75 128. The sliders under the seat were welded on the opposite sides. The mounting bolts, and hole locations were ~4" off, the actual rack that the seat slides on was 4" narrower, and the stupid sliders were welded on the ends to prevent removal. 5) Power: the 4-speed 1300cc engine is such a dog that chevette owners get made 'cause it takes so long to accellerate up to its 55 mph max. 6) Convenience: The parts come with no instructions, or Italian instructions, and in the Chiltons, and Haynes manuals many tasks have the quote "this should not be done by the normal owner due to the number of special FIAT tools needed to complete this task." *AND* the stupid oil drain plug. The stupid thing needs to be removed with a hex key, and the outside of the plug is round and smooth to foil all attempts (except those made by a half crazed, severly pissed off engineer with giant vise grips, a breaker bar, and a bad temper) to remove it. 7) Safety: the crank jack was so weak that after setting the emergency brake (which fails...the stupid thing never holds, even after adjusting it all the way with the tensor nut), putting it in gear, blocking the rear tire, and being on an almost perfectly level surface, the jack twisted, and broke dropping that satanic 4-wheeled jackal on me, and the broken hunk of jack had ripped through the door panel, leaving a hole, a dent, and all kinds of paint damage. 8) Style: the car just sucks. I mean, it just sucks. It looks like an ugly box, was painted the *special* FIAT-SNOTTY-FESTERING WOUND-GREEN, and has a little ugly FIAT symbol attached to the hood which long ago was pried off and throw off a high cliff. 9) Service: $$%&%%^%$!!$%$$%%^*%^%$@@@!!!!$^$%$#$#@@!!!#$#$#$#$###$#$#$ #$#^%%!!FACTORY TRAINED???!!!???!!!%$^$%$%^$%^!!@#%#%#$%#$$ $%@@#@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$$$$^&*^&%^%^&%MECHANICS?!?!$%$*&@#@@#@# #$#$&^*&^YOU REPAIR?!? FIATS?????@#$@#$@!!!!!!!!!E99+ So I think all you other unhappy lemon lovers out there should agree that the general concensus is that FIAT (yes, I *KNOW* all the stupid acronyms!!) is indeed the worst car ever made...i mean, you can repair a chevette, or an Edsel, or even a "fluid-drive" De Soto, but these???? NNNOOOOOOOOO!!!!! WAAYYYYYYYY!!!!!! 'nuff said, M.Scholz sdcc3!ec120bdh