Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/5/84; site ssc-vax.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!bellcore!decvax!decwrl!pyramid!pesnta!hplabs!tektronix!uw-beaver!fluke!ssc-vax!wanttaja From: wanttaja@ssc-vax.UUCP (Ronald J Wanttaja) Newsgroups: net.aviation Subject: Re: No advances in GA plane designs? Message-ID: <502@ssc-vax.UUCP> Date: Wed, 22-Jan-86 17:49:18 EST Article-I.D.: ssc-vax.502 Posted: Wed Jan 22 17:49:18 1986 Date-Received: Sat, 25-Jan-86 08:16:25 EST References: <1009@terak.UUCP> Distribution: net Organization: Boeing Aerospace Co., Seattle, WA Lines: 61 > First, let's look at the progress in general aviation. Twenty years > ago the "average American" was flying a two-seat tube-and-fabric > taildragger. > > Today, the "average American" flies a 4-seat all-metal retractable. > 200 horses and a constant-speed prop pull the plane along at 160 mph. > The radio stack includes dual nav/comms, a transponder, probably ILS and > maybe DME. The instrument panel is fully outfitted for IFR, including > autopilot. The interior is plush, with carpeting and velour everywhere. > > Now *that* sounds like some progress. > Actually, that sounds (except for avionics) like a 1948 Bonanza. And "twenty years ago" the "average American" was flying a Cessna 150, 172 or a Cherokee 140/180. But that does hold for "thirty years ago," I will admit. But as the famous saying goes, "What have you done for me lately?" I see three impediments to General Aviation progress: Certification costs, product liability, and manufacturer's inertia. Eliminate these three items, and you have the homebuilt branch of general aviation. HOLD ON! I am not about to dredge up our old argument about "The flying public doesn't want a 700 pound, 15 foot wingspan homebuilt, it wants a 200 mph, large interior X-country machine!" Due to product liability, a homebuilder can experiment; a manufacuturer finds it too expensive. Certification costs are paralleled with product liability... much of the data must be used to protect the company when it gets sued later. Even that might not help... witness the case where Beech lost even though the aircraft meet all requirements at the date of its original certification. Twenty years later the requirements were changed, and the court held Beech to them for the old design. Innovation is part of the homebuilt element due to cost. But what about Manufacturer's inertia? When a flock of penguins are uncertain about whether killer whales or other predators are in the water they're going to swim in, they crowd along the edge. Eventually, one gets crowded in and the question gets answered either way. When a manufacturer has a success with an unusual concept, the others will crowd in. That's true in aviation, true in autos, true in electronics. Remember the Windecker Eagle? The Bellanca Skyrocket? If either had been sucessful, Piper and Cessna would have composite aircraft today. I'm gunning for the Beech Starship, but I don't know... Anyway, I'm rambling again (I should use s and vi, not *f*). I still feel my original point holds true... other than avionics, you could take your 1985 C-172 back in time to 1947 and any A&P would keep that airplane in tiptop shape. No composites (except maybe wingtips, I don't know), no Wankels, no aluminum block Buick V-8s. Same construction. Same engines. Same controls. The only safety advantage is the nosewheel. Ron Wanttaja (ssc-vax!wanttaja) "Did you know he checks his sanity with a stopwatch?" "Whatdaya check your's with... a dipstick?"