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From: bill@hp-pcd.UUCP (bill)
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Subject: Re: Simulators (Flight Simulator & Jet)
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Date: Wed, 15-Jan-86 14:28:00 EST
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Posted: Wed Jan 15 14:28:00 1986
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Nf-From: hpcvla!bill    Jan 15 11:28:00 1986

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> I just read a review of "Jet" by Sub-Logic and I have a few questions.
>
>	1.  The reviewer mentioned scenery disks for Flight Simulator.
>	    Where can I get them and what new areas are on them?

You should be able to get them just about anywhere by now.  I believe there
are something like six different packages available, altogether covering
the entire continental US.  You can order them from SubLogic for about $20
apiece (I think they have a deal where you can get all 6 for $100):

		SubLogic Corp
		713 Edgebrook Drive
		Champaign, IL	61820
		(217)359-8482 / (800)637-4983

You can probably get a better price if you shop locally or go mail-order,
most places are selling them for around $15 or $16 apiece.  (If you shop
mail-order, you'll have a better chance of finding the scenery disk that
covers your own geographic area, since that one is usually the one that
sells out first at local software stores).  Commodore versions have been
out for some time; PC versions came later, but should by now be available
most everywhere.

>	2.  Can anyone recommend other simulation programs for the
>	    PC?  I have FS and Gato.  The more realistic the better.  

I recently bought a copy of Microprose's SILENT SERVICE, which is a new
submarine simulation that's kind of similar to Gato.  Overall, I'd rate
it higher than Gato.  It provides you with real-time action against fairly
realistic convoys; you can "accelerate" time if necessary; go on patrols;
take on destroyers, Kaibokans, troop ships, cargo ships, and tankers;
you have a fairly realistic rendition of the entire western Pacific in which
to maneuver.  Very realistic overall.

>	3.  Could someone who has "Jet" give a review of it?  I 
>	    assume the Sub-Logic and the MicroSoft versions are the
>	    same?

First of all, MicroSoft does not sell Jet.  SubLogic's doing there own
marketing on this one.  Performancewise, Jet probably outdoes anything
else on the market, with an amazingly fast amount of fairly detailed
graphics.  Entertainmentwise, how good it is depends on what you want
out of it.  If you're looking for high-speed dogfights, fast low-level
bombing runs, carrier takesoffs and landings, ejection seats, and
scorekeeping by making little "kill" marks on the side of your fuselage,
you'll love Jet.  It even lets you switch your viewpoint to that of
the guy standing in the tower, or on the bridge of the carrier.

If you want want realism, like to navigate by VOR, make ILS approaches,
and basically just fly around the countryside, stick with FS; Jet doesn't
have any of the guages and navigation radios and instruments, but instead has 
two vertical "bargraph" displays -- (logarithmic) altitude, and mach velocity.
FS's attitude indicator is replaced in JET by a full-screen "heads-up"
attitude display and rangefinder (they are superimposed over the scenery).
One nice feature of JET is that almost your entire screen is used for scenery;
only a small portion of the borders is used for instruments.  You can also
increase/decrease view magnification (from 1X -- we call it "funhouse"
mode, like looking at the world through a fisheye lens -- to 8X, which is kind
of like whipping out the binoculars).  You can use JET with the FS disk
and burn up the sky over Chicago, Seattle, LA, or New York (unfortunately,
the weapons don't function in this mode -- it wouldn't let us bomb MicroSoft
in the Seattle scenario).

bill frolik
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