Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!bellcore!decvax!genrad!mit-eddie!think!harvard!seismo!rochester!ritcv!ccivax!rb@ccivax From: rb@ccivax Newsgroups: net.micro.atari Subject: Re: 520ST to be sold by toy stores Message-ID: <342@ccivax.UUCP> Date: Thu, 16-Jan-86 19:11:42 EST Article-I.D.: ccivax.342 Posted: Thu Jan 16 19:11:42 1986 Date-Received: Sun, 19-Jan-86 04:19:02 EST References: <12172635152.9.MRC@PANDA> Sender: guest@ccivax.UUCP Organization: CCI Telephony Systems Group, Rochester NY Lines: 85 > > Well, Tramiel has done it again. It was just announced that > the 520ST will sell without a monitor in toy stores for less than > $300. The computer specialty stores are *furious*, many "I told > you so"'s are floating around. > I wouldn't be at all surprised if > the computer stores dump the ST en masse, even with Tramiel's > promised 1040ST for them only (we know how much THAT promise is > worth). > As a former retail person representing the old Atari and Commodore line when they first came out, I have to respond to this. When a computer come out for what appears to be a rediculously low price, Specialty Computer Stores are skeptical, cautious, and greedy. The profit margin (in dollars per unit) is much lower for a computer selling for say $1000 than for a comparable (or even inferior) machine selling for $2000. The pressure on the sales people comes from two directions. The Store wants to make a better "per unit profit" to pay expenses, therefore salesmen are encouraged to sell more expensive machines and discourage people from buying the less expensive ones. Competitors, also discouraging sales of "cheap" computers, will tell some whopping lies if necessary to prevent the customer from going to another store where they sell "game machines" and buying a "toy computer". In fact, when Atari was selling computers to schools at 3 for the price of 2, one school board dismissed the Atari as a game machine and removed the merchant from the bidding list. If Atari had come out with a VAX 11/780 running full UNIX 4.3 for $300, the IBM-PC merchants would have called it a "game machine" or a "toy computer". How do the ST dhrystone tests compare with a 11/750? Stores like K-Mart are more concerned with Volume sales. They would rather sell lot's of $300 computers than just a few $2000 boxes. The salesmen in some stores are even more qualified than those at the Specialty shops, but even if they're not, there is less pressure to get "commission" from a $3000 package. I have actually seen two local stores go bankrupt snubbing the ST. The industry moans and gripes about the "Slump" in computer sales, yet when a computer that could potentially turn the "Slump" into another "Boom" comes around, the retailers and pundits treat it like a "toy". There have been several computers in the under $1000 market, several of them were "PC Clones" that were "Less than 100% compatible". Now Commodore and Atari have created machines that are an order of magnitude more powerful than "The Original", and they have been declared "Home Computers", "Game Machines", and "Kid's Toys", but "Not for Serious Business Use". The Amiga is getting the "Prestige Treatement" because it has a price tag that people normally associates with "Real Computers". Of course, Commodore proved that "Good Press" and high volume are not mutually exclusive. The Important thing for Retailers and the industry as a whole to consider is this: For every ST sold, there is one IBM-PC (or clone) that wasn't. Even though the "PC-Cloners" don't consider the ST a direct competitor, as more people discover that an ST can do the same "Big 5" business applications as well or better than "IBM's Finest", the customer is going to start asking for a "Home Computer" rather than a "Business Machine". Anybody remember when "Business Computers Run CP/M" was the means of discouraging people from buying Atari's and Commodore's. At $800, Atari has already sold 100,000 ST's in less than 6 months and the software has only now started coming. At $300-$400, Atari may sell 100,000 units per MONTH. Even if the computer stores snub atari completely, this is a terrific candidate for software that is sold in record shops, typewriter stores, or even K-Mart. "Yes K-mart shoppers for the next 10 minutes our blue light special will be System V UNIX for the 520ST for only $19.95! Come and see our other fine software". On the flip side. K-Mart has been very reluctant in the past to sell any software other than that labled by the computer manufacturer. Getting K-Mart to sell your software is a little more difficult than getting it into your local "Computer Shack". If K-Mart does sell your product, you can expect a minimum of 10,000 copies just to get started.