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From: franka@mmintl.UUCP (Frank Adams)
Newsgroups: net.politics
Subject: Re: our neighbors
Message-ID: <980@mmintl.UUCP>
Date: Fri, 3-Jan-86 11:15:33 EST
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Posted: Fri Jan  3 11:15:33 1986
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In article <1004@lsuc.UUCP> msb@lsuc.UUCP (Mark Brader) writes:
>
>Frank Adams (franka@mmintl.UUCP) writes:
>
>> As for the War of 1812, that was a war between the U.S. and England, and
>> Canada was English territory at that point.  The U.S. invaded Canadian
>> territory, and were driven out; England invaded U.S. territory, and was
>> driven out.  I don't think it is accurate to say either side really won
>> the war.  (In some sense, that means both lost; but that isn't the way
>> these things are usually counted.)
>
>But there should be a "then" after the semicolon.
>
>The thing is, the U.S. started the war (admittedly under serious British
>provocation, since the British Navy had been interfering with U.S. merchant
>shipping).  The U.S. decided to invade "Canada" (meaning Upper Canada, now
>southern Ontario, and Lower Canada, now southern Quebec, both British
>colonies)... AND ANNEX CANADA to the U.S.!

Yes, but was the war fought for the purpose of taking over Canada, or was
that an additional objective?  The U.S. had as one of its goals in the war
to get the British to stop interfering with U.S. merchant shipping, and in
this was successful.  (A treaty which would have accomplished this was
signed before the war broke out, but news thereof did not reach the U.S.
before fighting broke out.)  To argue that the U.S. lost, it is insufficient
to note that the U.S. decided to invade Canada; you must argue that that was
the primary American objective.  I am not convinced that that was the case.

Frank Adams                           ihpn4!philabs!pwa-b!mmintl!franka
Multimate International    52 Oakland Ave North    E. Hartford, CT 06108