Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site dciem.UUCP Path: utzoo!dciem!mmt From: mmt@dciem.UUCP (Martin Taylor) Newsgroups: net.politics Subject: Re: "Reds" vs "fascists":Reagan's remarks Message-ID: <1774@dciem.UUCP> Date: Mon, 20-Jan-86 19:31:03 EST Article-I.D.: dciem.1774 Posted: Mon Jan 20 19:31:03 1986 Date-Received: Tue, 21-Jan-86 00:11:04 EST References: <1783@teddy.UUCP> <39000044@ISM780B.UUCP> <449@whuts.UUCP> <351@cisden.UUCP> <459@whuts.UUCP> <452@ssc-bee.UUCP> <485@whuts.UUCP21 Jan 86 00:31:03 GMT Reply-To: mmt@dciem.UUCP (PUT YOUR NAME HERE) Organization: D.C.I.E.M., Toronto, Canada Lines: 33 Summary: >> Tim, what is your opinion on the American Revolution and the Civil War? > >I think the American Revolution was exactly the sort of situation in >which Gandhian tactics of nonviolent resistance and civil disobedience >could have been successful. The Americans won the American revolution >essentially because most of the population was in sympathy with >the revolutionaries. Despite Britain's advantage in military might >per se the revolutionaries had the advantage of the people's positive >support for their cause and resistance to the British. I was taught in (English, Scottish and Canadian) schools that the American Revolution had the support of about 1/3 of the population, but had substantial support in Britain, including that of the King (the hated George III) but not of his Government. Whether civil disobedience would have been successful in righting the wrongs of the colonies is dubious, since it could have had no effect on policies in England. It could have affected only the actions and policies of the Colonial governors. What MIGHT have worked would have been a good public relations campaign among the landowners in England, leading to an election win for a group supporting American self-government (in effect, the American Colonies had substantial self-government before the Revolution, and much of the fuss was about the British Government's insistence that it had some right to tax without consulting the Colonies. The revolutionaries didn't want to acknowledge those rights. Whether the Americas became freer after the Revolution than they would otherwise have been is an interesting question that I don't think anyone can easily answer.) -- Martin Taylor {allegra,linus,ihnp4,floyd,ubc-vision}!utzoo!dciem!mmt {uw-beaver,qucis,watmath}!utcsri!dciem!mmt