Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: $Revision: 1.6.2.16 $; site inmet.UUCP Path: utzoo!lsuc!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!ukma!psuvm.bitnet!psuvax1!burdvax!sdcrdcf!sdcsvax!dcdwest!ittatc!decvax!cca!inmet!janw From: janw@inmet.UUCP Newsgroups: net.politics.theory Subject: Re: Re: Solution to Free Rider problem ( Message-ID: <28200523@inmet.UUCP> Date: Tue, 7-Jan-86 17:06:00 EST Article-I.D.: inmet.28200523 Posted: Tue Jan 7 17:06:00 1986 Date-Received: Sun, 12-Jan-86 21:28:58 EST References: <23@calgary.UUCP> Lines: 38 Nf-ID: #R:calgary:-2300:inmet:28200523:000:1928 Nf-From: inmet!janw Jan 7 17:06:00 1986 >[Frank Adams ihpn4!philabs!pwa-b!mmintl!franka] >In article <2679@umcp-cs.UUCP> flink@maryland.UUCP (Paul V Torek) writes: >>A solution to the free-rider problem would be very important in its own >>right. > >So would trisecting the angle. The free-rider problem is a mathematical >fact, which can and sometimes does apply to real world situations. >Restricting the range of possible actions (as by categorically ruling out >the use of force) makes it more likely to be applicable; and often when >it is applicable there are actions which can be taken which reduce the >harm resulting from it; but there is no solution in general. "Problem is a fact" is ambiguous. It can mean :(1) the FR problem is a mathematical *problem* that may or may not have a solution - in which case the comparison to angle trisection begs the ques- tion; or (2) it is a mathematical problem proven to have no solu- tion under certain assumptions which may or may not be applicable to real life. In which case a general solution for *real life* situations (under some other set of assumptions) is thinkable. Only a *real-life* counterexample would preclude such a solution. >Restricting the range of possible actions (as by categorically ruling out >the use of force) makes it more likely to be applicable... This sounds plausible - at the first glance. But *does* ruling out the use of force merely *restrict* range of action *by a so- ciety* ? No, it restricts it in some directions and also *ex- pands* it in others. Because members of the society may now plan their actions under the assurance that force won't be used against them. This is a very practical matter - e.g., instability of tax laws does chill business activity, and possibility of confiscation (where it is present) freezes investment. Generally, *force* generates *fear* ; and a fearful society has a *narrowed* range of action. Jan Wasilewsky