Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site gargoyle.UUCP Path: utzoo!lsuc!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!ihnp4!gargoyle!carnes From: carnes@gargoyle.UUCP (Richard Carnes) Newsgroups: net.politics.theory Subject: Re: defining racism Message-ID: <302@gargoyle.UUCP> Date: Tue, 14-Jan-86 19:20:03 EST Article-I.D.: gargoyle.302 Posted: Tue Jan 14 19:20:03 1986 Date-Received: Fri, 17-Jan-86 03:34:55 EST References: <336@l5.UUCP> <28200531@inmet.UUCP> Reply-To: carnes@gargoyle.UUCP (Richard Carnes) Organization: U. of Chicago, Computer Science Dept. Lines: 33 Keywords: Contains impertinent digression on seatbelt laws [Jan Wasilewsky] >As for "emotion-clouded rhetoric", that would only make sense if the >word "racism" carried different emotional connotations than "racial >discrimination" which you admit affirmative action is. More emotion-clouded r., Jan. By stating that I "admit" that affirmative action is racial discrimination, you imply that my statement is a concession to opponents of AA, whereas all I have said is that AA entails taking into account a person's race (or sex) in deciding on one's actions w/r/t that person, which is admitted by anyone who knows what the term "affirmative action" means. In this sense, I engage in racial discrimination equally whether I seek out or avoid the society and custom of persons of another race, and whether I hire blacks preferentially or try to keep them out of my company. I engage in sex discrimination (and sexual-preference discrimination, age discrimination, in fact all sorts of discrimination) whenever I decide whether to ask someone for a date. However, I am unrepentant. We all sin now and then by using loaded terms as a substitute for thought. Dave Hudson found that if he could apply the label "compulsion" to seatbelt laws, people wouldn't like them as much as if the laws were labeled "encouragement" [to wear belts]. But evidently "compulsion" does not mean that people will be forced at gunpoint to buckle up; it means that if you are unlucky enough to be caught unbuckled by the police, you will be given a warning or required to pay a fine of $10 to $50, and if you don't pay the fine you may suffer some consequences the worst of which is going to jail for a short while. But this thought process can be short-circuited by describing the seatbelt law as "compulsion". -- Richard Carnes, ihnp4!gargoyle!carnes