Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: $Revision: 1.6.2.16 $; site inmet.UUCP Path: utzoo!lsuc!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!bellcore!decvax!cca!inmet!janw From: janw@inmet.UUCP Newsgroups: net.politics.theory Subject: Re: Individual as a Mythical Beast Message-ID: <28200582@inmet.UUCP> Date: Sat, 11-Jan-86 22:25:00 EST Article-I.D.: inmet.28200582 Posted: Sat Jan 11 22:25:00 1986 Date-Received: Fri, 24-Jan-86 22:32:59 EST References: <28200505@inmet.UUCP> Lines: 51 Nf-ID: #R:inmet:28200505:inmet:28200582:000:2271 Nf-From: inmet!janw Jan 11 22:25:00 1986 [Larry Kolodney (INTERNET) lkk@mit-mc.arpa] >>If all humankind needs is to become as rational and independent >>as the marginal netter, can things be quite hopeless ? >God forbid. What humankind needs has little to do with rationality >(in the sense that you mean it). You probably misunderstand me. Let me describe in what sense I mean it. Rationality is the desire and the ability to *get at the truth*. At the core is the *desire*, an *urge to understand*, to make sense of things. As it works, it accumulates skills and habits of concentration, observation, induction, sampling, deduction, generalization, specification, abstraction, concretization, analogy, imagination, invention, testing, self-criticism, and many others. The concept of rationality is close to those of intelligence, of sanity, and of objectivity. We can never have enough of it. >Rationality only works with the correct premises. I disagree. Rationality *discovers* the correct premises. >The current state >of affairs (at least in the USA) is that people start out with the >premise that they are independant free agents (i.e. they can somehow >exist and live a happy life independently from any arbitrary part of >the rest of the world, that they are distinct from the world), whose >place in the world is to maximize their utility by making as much >*money* as possible, the rest of the world be damned. >This attitude survives easily on USENET because it [...] Does it ? I'd be surprised. If the netters maximize *money*, why are they wasting so much of their time and brains on unpaid dis- cussions ? Surely you must be misjudging them. The people who *do* maximize their money-making potential are very useful, however, and we should all be grateful to them. If, by some mass hypnosis, you eliminated this engine of achievement, half the world would starve very soon; the rest would stagnate and probably perish a little later. Not that these are the *only* productive people, but they are irreplaceable. You may say, there's got to be a better reason to do these useful things. Possibly, but make it *better*. Fear sup- plemented with fanaticism is infinitely worse. And that, so far, has been the only attempted alternative. Jan Wasilewsky